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Episode 1142
In this episode, Doug and Erin sit down for one of their most honest conversations yet about marriage, resentment, connection, parenting, intimacy, and the seasons where things almost fell apart. They share the real story behind the struggles they faced early in marriage, the patterns that kept repeating, and the personal work that helped them reconnect instead of walking away.
This isn’t a polished conversation about the “perfect” relationship. It’s a grounded discussion about what happens when two people love each other deeply but still lose connection over time. Doug and Erin talk about the impact of stress, work, kids, emotional distance, and built-up resentment, along with the shifts that helped them stop fighting against each other and start working as a team again.
They also open up about what’s changed over the years, how they handle conflict differently now, why emotional intimacy matters so much, and the small daily habits that keep their relationship strong. Whether your marriage feels solid or you’re in a difficult season right now, this episode offers practical perspective on what growth inside a relationship can really look like.
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Transcription
Doug Holt 0:00 I accepted you do things differently. You accepted I do things. We accepted that we're individuals.
Erin Holt 0:05 We were both moving, trying to be better individuals for ourselves and each other.
Doug Holt 0:10 For me, that was me leaving. Like, I was prepping to leave you.
Erin Holt 0:14 When he was on his way out, I was as well. We were both trying to exit, but also had a deep love underneath.
Doug Holt 0:19 Loving them for who they are, not for who they aren't.
Erin Holt 0:23 The more he's connected to himself, the better husband, partner, father, whatever he's going to be.
Doug Holt 0:40 What's happening, guys? Welcome back to another episode of The TPM Show. And this show has been our most requested in recent times. So, I have my beautiful wife, Erin, here. And people have asked a lot of questions. So when we have Alpha Resets or different events, sometimes men get the opportunity of getting a woman's point of view. As you guys know, probably if you've been here for a while, Erin coaches women, so she's got a wide breadth of knowledge, not only on a woman's point of view but also how women get to where they want to go. But she's also my wife, and so she's been on this journey with me with TPM for the past decade and obviously for a long time before that as well. And so today we're going to be talking about questions that you guys have posted and want to know about. Babe, thanks for being here.
Erin Holt 1:26 Excited to be here, as always.
Doug Holt 1:28 This is going to be a fun one. This is interesting. When people have brought this up for over a year for us to do this episode, for whatever reason we just haven't done it. It's not that there's been any aversion to it. It just never really seemed like a priority until, you know, I think it was the last Alpha Reset that you were at. You had a bunch of guys ask you a bunch of questions about us.
Erin Holt 1:48 People are curious. I mean, I'm curious. We're curious. People like to know about people. So I'm excited, slash I don't know what the questions are.
Doug Holt 1:58 So I think you started this off off-camera with, “How did Doug land such a hot wife? Smart, capable, younger.” So I have some of these questions and bullet points here on my phone. I'm just going to run through them. Okay, it ends up where it ends up.
Erin Holt 2:14 Perfect.
Doug Holt 2:15 Awesome. How did you guys meet, and what was your first honest impression of each other? Not the polished version.
Erin Holt 2:22 We met—so my background is in exercise physiology, and prior to moving to Santa Barbara, where I met Doug, I was working in Boston and was just kind of following my brother out west and, you know, was young, had no responsibilities, mid-20s, and was like, “Ah, let's pack my car up and go. Let's go.” And at that time, Santa Barbara did not have the quality of gyms that I came from or the training, and I was shocked. And I was kind of like, “Oh.” In my little naive mind it was like, “California, everybody's fit, gyms everywhere.” Now there is. So I went around with my resume to the one gym that I felt like I would respect and that had a good reputation, and Doug's was one of them. And I walked in and just handed my resume to him. And at the time his business model was independent contractor, and I had just moved to Santa Barbara, so clearly I didn't have any clients. So that was not going to work. But he said something along the lines as we were walking out, like, “Please stay in touch. I don't see many resumes like this out here. We should try to work together at some point,” something like that. And so that was how we first met. Do you want to add to that?
Doug Holt 3:37 No, I mean, there's not much to add to it. I ran a private training studio, and we had a lot of top-tier trainers. You were one of them, a fitness person. The honest advice I gave you was, “Look, you don't have a client base, so it'd be tough for you to make it here. Go start at a gym, a normal gym.”
Erin Holt 3:55 Like people do.
Doug Holt 3:57 Exactly.
Erin Holt 3:58 So we, you know, I went and did other work for a couple years, and we would randomly cross paths at races or events or whatever in Santa Barbara and LA. And then I think it was about two-ish years later we started working together.
Doug Holt 4:14 I don't remember the exact timeline, but maybe about that.
Erin Holt 4:16
Doug Holt 4:17 So I remember you walking up the stairs. To set the story or the image, if you've ever been to Santa Barbara or California, the private studio that I ran was on the main street, so State Street, which is a high-rent district. It was more of an exclusive type of facility, but we had stairs that went upstairs. It was a two-story unit, long and narrow. I remember checking out your ass as you walked up the stairs. That's the honest, unpolished version. It's what this person's asking for. I do remember that. And you had an amazing resume. I mean, if anybody knows what a CSCS or a Strength Coach is, you had all the qualifications and then some. One of our trainers was on the cover of Men’s Fitness more than any other person in the world. We had some top-tier people, and you would have fit right in. And it was a bummer. I remember thinking that it just wasn't going to work out. It was probably perfect timing, though.
Erin Holt 5:09 Because then when it did work out, we started working together. I brought over clients, and I remember both of us always had a good respect for each other’s people professionally. And then we started working together, and then it went from platonic to not.
Doug Holt 5:25 I'll add a little more flavor to it. So we did our first interview when you were coming over to… So I moved my facility to a different place—cheaper rent, essentially. Gosh, that was about 2008, I think, or 2009.
Doug Holt 5:41 So I moved it over there, and then we sat at Muddy Waters Coffee Shop.
Erin Holt 5:45 The worst coffee in the world.
Doug Holt 5:46 It was horrible. But as we were talking, you said, “Hey, the language you're using, you've done a lot of personal development and work.” And I remember that because Santa Barbara has a lot of beautiful people, and I know for me it was rare to find a beautiful woman who also did personal development, which I did a lot of back then. I did a lot of business development and personal development, and so I was odd in that way. That was kind of an obsession of mine, bettering myself. And obviously in the fitness field, a lot of people do that. You see a lot of life coaches or business coaches come out of sports and fitness because there’s a drive to better. So I remember having that conversation with you. But you had a boyfriend at the time.
Erin Holt 6:32 I did.
Doug Holt 6:33 And I respected that. So we just had a very good professional relationship.
Erin Holt 6:40 We did.
Doug Holt 6:42 Until you dumped your boyfriend and we went out the next day, essentially.
Erin Holt 6:48 Yes. Having quickly—when you know, you know. And that was one of those relationships that was on the way out for a long time.
Doug Holt 7:00 And I was single. So we knew each other really well. We worked together. And if anybody's been in a private training studio, there's a lot of banter that goes back and forth—joking and talking—and you get to know everybody really, really well. And you and I got really close platonically. And I came to your birthday party one time.
Erin Holt 7:20 I will say, if people want to know, that was like a tipping point. Because we were out of the gym and had a bunch of friends and clients coming to a bar in Santa Barbara. And I mentioned to Doug, “Oh, hey, my birthday party’s here. Totally welcome to come.” I didn't have any expectations. But I was in a dress, hair down, a little makeup, and he was all dressed up. We were out of gym clothes, and we kind of looked at each other. There was an energy shift, like, “Oh.”
Doug Holt 7:43 Your boyfriend wasn't happy.
Erin Holt 7:44 Quite noticeable, apparently.
Doug Holt 7:47 And I was only there for a little bit. I stopped by just to say hi, happy birthday, and then I left. I had other things to do. And that’s how we met.
Erin Holt 7:53 That's the long and the short.
Doug Holt 7:55 All right. Question number two: When did each of you know this is the one? And did you know it at the same time? We kind of touched on it a little bit, but I'll let you go first.
Erin Holt 8:08 I don't know if it was “the one,” but it was definitely like, okay, this is the caliber of guy that I actually want to be with versus where I was playing before. I had matured. I had grown. Like Doug mentioned, we were both into personal development and professional development and were ready for, you know, more of a mature adult relationship, I'll say. And so once we went from platonic to not, it was quick. And like Doug said, we worked together, so it was like a rapid onset of having some friendship history and then going to being a couple, and a couple also working together and kind of running the gym together. So it went quickly in a good way. It also helped us work out kinks quickly. You got to.
Doug Holt 8:57 We were together a lot, right? I was in Rotary Club. I was doing all the things in Santa Barbara. The University Club is a private club, so we were always at events and things as well. For me, the memory that comes back to me is at that time I had the fitness magazine, I had the gym, and I was doing online marketing at a digital marketing agency, so I was working a lot. And I had that idea that, hey, I'm going to retire at 35. I'm going to work my butt off. I don't think I had any other—I'm sure I had a number of little side hustles I was trying to scheme up or get going. I'm an entrepreneur classically, so I work a lot. So I remember you invited me to go hiking in Ojai. And if I went out on the weekends during the day, I was playing beach volleyball or soccer, usually, or working out, running. I did some hiking. But we came to a river crossing, and I was like, “Oh shit, well, we can't go.” And you're like, “No, we'll just walk across it.” And I remember going, “This is crazy,” walking across that river and then having an instant sense of childlike fun reenter me that had been lost.
Erin Holt 10:12 Yep.
Doug Holt 10:12 And you really brought that out of me. And I remember going, “Oh, okay. This woman can reinvigorate that side of me.” You worked so you could go out and play and do good things. I worked so I could retire at an early age, you know? And I loved working, so I think I lost that adventurous, fun side. I would do extreme adventures, but a simple river crossing was like, “Oh crap, we can't go any further.” And you're like, “Just walk through it.”
Erin Holt 10:46
Doug Holt 10:46 So that was cool. Ready for another one?
Erin Holt 10:48 Yes.
Doug Holt 10:50 I think I've got about 15 or 20 of these things. What was a moment early in the relationship that you both still laugh about now?
Erin Holt 11:01 Oh, that's what popped in your head?
Doug Holt 11:04 Homes.
Erin Holt 11:07 You can tell it.
Doug Holt 11:09 So Erin and I are not dating yet, and I joined the University Club in Santa Barbara, which for me was a big deal. It's mostly lawyers and people in there. Somehow they let me in. So I trained in my workout gear. It's a Santa Barbara day, so it's probably like 80 degrees out, right? But I put on slacks and a button-up. I'm getting typical business casual, which I don't wear very often. And I asked Erin, “Oh hey, you're heading out. Would you mind just giving me a ride, dropping me off down there?” I think I was going to meet some friends downtown at night or something afterwards. And she's like, “Sure.” So I get in—you had an old—
Erin Holt 11:49 1990 Volkswagen station wagon. Like the longest box of windows.
Doug Holt 11:54 There's a box of windows.
Erin Holt 11:55
Doug Holt 11:55 And I remember two things. One is I walk up to your car and I see your muffler in the backseat. I was like, “Oh, I never met a woman who carries a spare muffler.”
Erin Holt 12:03 It had fallen off a little while ago, and when I was driving around…
Doug Holt 12:09 You just picked it up and put it in your backseat.
Erin Holt 12:12 I did. I know.
Doug Holt 12:14 Yes, the loudest car. It used to give your neighbor a headache.
Erin Holt 12:16 Oh my gosh, no, it gave me a headache. I would get headaches, and then I put two and two together. And then at certain—you know, if you're a trainer, you have very early clients in certain parts of town—I would…
Doug Holt 12:25 Sound like an airplane.
Erin Holt 12:26 Drive through. It was so loud. I look back now, I'm so mean. I hope they didn't have babies. But I would drive by, and I would set their car alarm.
Doug Holt 12:35 I know a woman—your neighbor came and complained to your roommate, Mara.
Erin Holt 12:37 Oh. Well, my roommate, Mara, she could hear me coming home, and that's when she would get out the wine and have a glass waiting for me on the table. She could hear me coming down the road.
Doug Holt 12:46 From like a block or two away. So that was one thing.
Erin Holt 12:49
Doug Holt 12:49 And then I open the car door, get in, and there's no cushioning on your seat.
Erin Holt 12:54 On the passenger seat.
Doug Holt 12:55 The passenger seat.
Erin Holt 12:56 I did not know this. Just sit there.
Doug Holt 12:58 There you go. And then you're driving, and I am sweating. I've got sweat coming down. I'm rolling down the window, and I realize your seat warmer—
Erin Holt 13:06 You couldn't roll down the window. You went to push the button, it wouldn't work, and I had to do it for myself.
Doug Holt 13:12 And your seat warmer never turned off. So the hot coil—
Erin Holt 13:16 Passenger side.
Doug Holt 13:17 No window down for a while. I show up to the University Club just sweating.
Erin Holt 13:22 I did not know that the heated seats did not turn off on that side. Doug found out.
Doug Holt 13:28 Somehow you were able to sell that car. That's amazing.
Erin Holt 13:30
Doug Holt 13:31 So that's a moment.
Erin Holt 13:32 That's a moment. That's a good one. I can't top that one.
Doug Holt 13:36 Awesome. What was the lowest point in your marriage, and what specifically pulled you out of it?
Erin Holt 13:42 That was when that first year of our marriage got pretty low. What pulled it out was both of us doing our own work and honestly growing up and maturing emotionally within our relationship.
Doug Holt 13:56 I'll add some more color to that. Doug Holt So at one point things got so bad, I took off to San Diego and stayed at the beach house that we had access to, a condo. I was down there. You went to Colombia—
Erin Holt 14:14 Did ayahuasca.
Doug Holt 14:14 Did ayahuasca.
Erin Holt 14:16 Yep.
Doug Holt 14:16 And so I remember, like that was, for me, that was me leaving. Like I was prepping to leave you. And so I remember running on the beach. I ran on the beach every day, and I did boxing down there, got in great shape. But I was running on the beach, and I distinctly remember the moment of running and going, “Have I been the best?” Because I was pissed at you, because everything was your fault.
Erin Holt 14:41 Of course.
Doug Holt 14:42 You know, “If you would just realize how everybody else sees how amazing I am.” And I remember asking myself, “Have I been the best husband I could be for 30 days?” This is a random number, right? Thirty days is kind of a common thing. And instantly it came back in my head, “No.” It kind of shocked me, but it was like a loud, “No.” Huh. “Have I been the best version of myself for 30 days?” No. I was like, huh. “How am I expecting her to be amazing when I haven't been amazing?” And that's kind of the flip the script of, “Have I been taking care of my side of the street?” And what would life look like if I really went all in on our marriage? Because I always had probably one foot in, one foot out. You know, remember, I would tell you, “I don't hold hands in public.” And so during that time, you were also going through, at almost the same time, your own realizations.
Erin Holt Yep.
Doug Holt And so we started talking on the phone again. We weren't really talking, as I recall, anyway. And that's when, at least for me, I just go, “Okay, I'm going to give this 30 days, and let's see.” And I couldn't do it for 30 days. I couldn't show up as the best version of myself for 30 days straight. And that was eye-opening to me too. “Ooh, you've got some work to do here, man. You've got some work to do.” And I've been doing personal development since high school. I've been doing a lot of it. And that was eye-opening.
And then, you know, we hit a lot of bumps along the way, and we still do. It's just how we get back over those hurdles. Back then we would argue—
Erin Holt 16:14 We both would play the victim-defense role really well. We were both really good at that.
Doug Holt 16:18 We were awesome.
Erin Holt 16:19
Doug Holt 16:20 We were awesome at defending it, stonewalling, walking away. But then that disconnect would last for like two weeks.
Erin Holt 16:26 It could. And then when we came back, we were just relationally babies, basically.
Doug Holt 16:30 Both of us thought we were doing it right and the other person was doing it wrong. And so now when we get in an argument or disagreements, we do it—it literally takes seconds sometimes. If my inner teenager comes out, we're disagreeing for an hour or two. There's some distance there, but it's not two weeks. It hasn't been two weeks in a long time. I can't even think of the last time.
Erin Holt 16:50 Long, long time.
Doug Holt 16:51 And I think that's the difference. When I talk to men that are in the program, that's the difference they notice. “Wow, my wife and I got in an argument on Friday, but by Saturday morning we were good. We were making love, we were having fun, laughing.”
Erin Holt 17:06 Not punishing each other.
Doug Holt 17:06 Yeah, not punishing each other. And I'm like, “How long did it used to take?” “Oh, months, man.” I'm like, that's the key. The key is not that you don't argue or that you don't have upsets. You're two unique people with unique histories. The key is how fast you come back together.
I also remember you looking at me, sobbing, crying, which was a weakness for me, because when you cry, I just want to fix it. You were saying, “How can two people who are smart, who love each other so much, not be able to figure this out?” Because at that time there wasn't a TPM. There wasn't The Activation Method program like we offer. And so you were reading all the books you could read. I was reading all the books I could read, podcasts, coaches. We were doing all the things. But for me as a man, there wasn't really anything out there about being a strong man in relationships. There were things about kicking ass and seizing the day or crushing business. Or there were things about—no offense—but Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus, things that just didn't stick for me, didn't work for us. Sure, no. Every time I would try something, it'd be like the opposite effect.
Well, I'm glad we're past those days.
Erin Holt 18:18 Me too.
Doug Holt 18:19 Damn.
Erin Holt 18:20 Those were exhausting.
Doug Holt 18:22 Well, this is kind of the same. This one's for Erin. Erin, was there ever a moment when you seriously thought about leaving Doug? If so, what changed?
Erin Holt 18:32 Well, I think we just kind of answered that. When he was on his way out, I was as well. We were both trying to exit, but also had a deep love underneath all the chaos and the hurt and the drama when we paused for a minute. So what drew the same thing that drew Doug back in was I knew I had turned into somebody—I was like, wait, who am I right now? I don't even like the way I'm behaving. How can I expect him to like who I am? I knew he loves me, but we were not the best version of each other. When I saw him putting in effort, like he mentioned, doing personal development, learning new skills, healing things about himself, while I was as well, we were both moving, trying to be better individuals for ourselves and each other.
Doug Holt 19:16 I like that. Ready for another one? What's a fight that you guys have both had more than once, and how have you finally started to break that pattern?
Erin Holt 19:31 Oh geez. I don't know why my brain just went blank.
Doug Holt 19:34 I’ve got one, and I think this applies to almost all the fights we've had more than once. So what I teach the guys is, if your wife is complaining about the same complaint over and over again, that means she doesn't feel truly heard, that you really understand what she's saying.
Erin Holt 19:52 And you feel truly gotten.
Doug Holt 19:53 Truly gotten. So we worked together, right? And again, I said this earlier. I worked to make money so we could retire and then go do things. You loved what you did, but you also mostly worked so then you could go out and venture and play and do the fun things.
Erin Holt 20:12 I had more balance.
Doug Holt 20:13 You definitely had more balance. And even I would say that your version of balance and my version of balance, especially then—even when I would be balanced—was just different.
Erin Holt 20:21
Doug Holt 20:22 So how did we break that? That used to cause a lot of frustration for both of us. We fought a lot around work because we're married, we're running a business. We had goals. We had different ways of going about what we thought we should do to achieve those goals. And I think this can go through all kinds of things that we've had issues with. And I think the thing that we've changed is I accepted you do things differently. You accepted I do things differently. We accepted that we're individuals.
Erin Holt 20:51
Doug Holt 20:52 And this has been through parenting, any issue we've had where we've had to accept the other person, love them for who they are. We still have boundaries and conversations around the house or around the kids. We'll have disagreements at times about travel roles, things of that nature. And I think something that we've come to do really well is support each other and realize that you just do things differently and I do things differently—and until you learn to do them right.
Erin Holt 21:26 No, but in all seriousness, we support each other being an actual whole individual human and support the other one doing things that light them up, and knowing that those are going to change as we've grown. And that's been a big gift to our relationship.
Doug Holt 21:46 I think it's one of the biggest ones. If you can't do that when you're in the darkness—
Erin Holt 21:51 No.
Doug Holt 21:51 That's the hard part. But for those men and women listening to this now, if you're in a good place—because we have guys that come in who say, “Hey, my marriage is good, and I want to make sure it doesn't go bad”—and so I'm speaking to those guys and maybe some of the women right now. If you're in that place, great. Get the skills to make sure it doesn't go bad. And one of the best gifts you can give your partner is loving them for who they are, not for who they aren't.
Erin Holt 22:16 Yes, or—
Doug Holt 22:18 We're trying to change them.
Erin Holt 22:19 Trying to change them.
Doug Holt 22:21 Awesome. That's a good question. I like that question. I think these ones are for you. Unfortunately, this one said this one's for Erin as well. Doug teaches The Hidden Motives Technique and Clean Slate Method to thousands of men. Does he actually use them at home, or does he forget his own playbook when it counts?
Erin Holt 22:39 Oh, he's terrible. No, I'm kidding. He actually does most of the time, and then he's like any human being. Sometimes he gets triggered or hijacked, and he comes back later and cleans it up. It's like, “Oh, sorry, that wasn't my best.” But he does.
Doug Holt 22:53 I can only think of one time, but it's a time that sticks out in my head, where you've looked at me and go, “You know what to do.”
Erin Holt 23:00 You have these skills.
Doug Holt 23:02 And I was like, “I don't want to use them. I'm a teen. I'm stubborn right now, and I'm staying in my stubborn state.” Which is also snaps, you know? We snap each other out of it too when we do those things, right? I mean, I think I eat my own cooking a lot because I screw up a lot, so I’ve got to clean up a lot.
Cool. Ooh, Erin, tell me something that Doug coaches other men on that he's still working on himself.
Erin Holt 23:33 Okay, let me think. I mean, my first thing that popped in was he's always growing, and so am I. I think it's just ever-evolving. I would say intimacy—emotional intimacy—and really watching you evolve over the years, really getting how important that is for me, yes, but also for you. And really getting how much more enjoyable it is when we are truly connected, and getting that dynamic of how that is married to sexual intimacy, and that all of it just flows better. And the sex is way better when we're emotionally connected, and you really just growing into that has been awesome to be part of, because it's just way more fun.
Doug Holt 24:20 It is way more—
Erin Holt 24:21 Fun. Way better.
Doug Holt 24:22 I can tell about 20 things that I teach men that I'm working on. I tell the guys all the time, I am not perfect.
Erin Holt 24:30 No. Nobody is.
Doug Holt 24:32 I just know I've made a lot more mistakes than people.
Another one for you. You're a popular woman, Erin. What do you wish more wives understood about being married to a man who's doing the work?
Erin Holt 24:47 Well, just because I hear this from—I’ve heard this from clients for years—or it's in the beginning of working with them. It's like they have a deep “Oh, thank God,” but also a deep fear, like, “Is he going to leave me? He's going to change and grow.” Underneath it all is a fear of, “Will I be enough?” And it's like, if you just support him being the best version of himself—because I would assume what he's doing in personal development, even professional development, is really deepening the relationship with himself first—the more he's connected to himself, the better husband, partner, father, whatever he's going to be.
Doug Holt 25:21 I want to buy you a gift. Look, if your marriage is struggling—and let's be real, every marriage struggles at some point—but yours is struggling where you've lost that love, admiration, respect, I want to help you. I want to buy you a copy of the book that I wrote, A Man's Guide on How to Save Your Marriage Without Talking About It. In here, I've distilled over eight years of programs that we've developed at TPM to help men just like you save their marriages without talking about it. There's no fluff, no BS. It's an action plan that you can start using today to actually save your marriage and bring that love and respect back into your family, back into your house. You deserve it. Look, all I ask is you pay the postage. You pay the shipping. I'll buy the book for you. That way you can take massive action today. Click the link or find it in the bio and get your copy now.
Erin Holt 26:14 And giving him the support and the freedom to do that and explore himself—you'll get the better version of him. And I would just say, trust. Just trust it. Trust him.
Doug Holt 26:28 I love that. That's good advice. Can I answer that question too?
Erin Holt 26:32 And vice versa.
Doug Holt 26:34 I know it's not for me, but I'll talk to the wives out there. So ladies, listen up. This is my point of view. If your man has joined TPM, The Powerful Man, he's doing it because he loves you. Period. It would be much easier for him not to do the work. He is doing this, and it is difficult work that's going to make him face himself. It's going to make him face things, should he choose, that'll be difficult. He has also not been taught the skills that we teach at TPM. That's why we've been so successful. The skills that we teach are going to be new and unique. Just like any skill you learn, you are not going to be perfect at it right away. You are going to stumble. You are going to fall. You are going to screw up.
And my encouragement to you is to show gratitude and appreciation—just as he should for you—to your man for trying, because he is trying because he loves you. He's not trying because he's a jerk. Maybe he shows up as a jerk in other ways, but he's trying because he actually cares. Because it would be much easier for most of these guys to just throw up their hands and give up. And these guys are doing the hard stuff.
So if you see him changing his routines, you see him trying new things, you see him—if he sounds robotic—just know that he's trying. And I'd love for you to empathize with trying to learn a new language in your 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s—whatever age the man might be—and how difficult and embarrassing that could be. To just start learning Japanese, as an example, at that age, and then go immediately to a restaurant and start trying to speak it—it’s embarrassing. And so most people don't do it. And he's trying to do something like that with the person he cares about the most—therefore, the person who can hurt him the most.
Well said.
Thank you.
All right, here's another one. Walk us through a normal Tuesday. Who handles what, and how do you stay synced without dropping balls?
So both of us get up between 4:30 and 5:00. Tuesday, you might sleep in a little bit.
Erin Holt 28:47 Yep.
Doug Holt 28:48 Because you work out with the girls on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
So a normal Tuesday right now, because I'm not working with the guys on Tuesday, we get up early. Usually we get coffee, we'll sit on the couch and do a quick little check-in. Just see what's going on. How's your day? How'd you sleep? That's a common conversation in our house.
Erin Holt 29:09 Then I'll do my morning routine of things—journaling or—
Doug Holt 29:14 You'll do your morning routine. I may do a sauna or cold plunge, or I'm at the computer. I go to the computer. I have AI produce a morning brief for me that's got all my goals, checks all my emails for me. So it's like—I call it the chief of staff morning brief. I go through that.
Kids get up somewhere between 6:00 and 7:00. Somewhere around 6:30, let's say. Usually Aspen will come right downstairs if I'm down there, or Bodie cuddles up with you in the—
Erin Holt Covers. Yep.
Doug Holt Then as soon as the kids are up, I usually come back upstairs. So we have a finished basement—1,300 square feet finished basement—that's my office/man cave for the most part. When the kids are down there, you all come up. We breakfast between 7:00 and 8:00, get the kids going. Usually, on a typical Tuesday, you take the kids off to school. We do hugs, goodbyes. It usually takes a long time. Our kids are six and nine.
Erin Holt 30:15 It's weird to hear him say nine. He just turned nine.
Doug Holt 30:17 I know.
Erin Holt 30:17 That's weird.
Doug Holt 30:18 But he still—
Erin Holt 30:20 I know. It's just I haven't heard you say it out loud, really.
Doug Holt 30:23 We're having a party for him today.
So the kids are off. I go—I’m working. I'm coaching clients. I'm on calls. You come home. You're usually working with your clients on coaching calls, developing programs. I'm in meetings. We do the work thing.
Erin Holt 30:44 I'm on the school schedule work, so I do my work most of the time between school hours.
Doug Holt 30:49 We're lucky—you and I find an intimacy gap in there when both of us have a hole in the schedule. We try to do more of those, get to find more intimacy dates.
Kids are off school at 3:00.
Erin Holt 31:01 And I go pick them up.
Doug Holt 31:02 You pick them up.
Erin Holt 31:02 And then it's off to activities, sports.
Doug Holt 31:06 So Tuesday would be Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for Bodie and myself. So it's roughly a 40-minute drive one way for me. And then Aspen has baseball right now.
Erin Holt 31:16 Baseball or swim or something, you know, whatever.
Doug Holt 31:19 Then we both all come back. So on a Tuesday, I get back from Jiu Jitsu—
Erin Holt 31:22 Make dinner.
Doug Holt 31:23 Around 6:15. Shower. We're all eating around 6:30 or so. Then we read books for the kids, theoretically put them down at 7:00.
Erin Holt 31:35 Let's be real.
Speaker 1 31:37 Eight.
Doug Holt 31:37 Well, it's just getting later and later.
Erin Holt 31:38 Summer.
Doug Holt 31:39 We want to go to bed. Then that's time for you and I to connect, or we watch a show. If we're both burnt out, we'll watch a show or something.
Erin Holt 31:49 Pretty mellow.
Doug Holt 31:49 Right now we're watching Marshall’s—
Erin Holt 31:51 Marshall.
Doug Holt 31:51 When it comes out.
Erin Holt 31:53 Yep.
Doug Holt 31:53 And then we go to bed pretty early.
Erin Holt 31:55 Early to bed, earlier to rise.
Doug Holt 31:56 And we repeat that. That’s a Tuesday.
Erin Holt 31:58 Yep.
Doug Holt 31:59 Doesn’t sound sexy when you read this.
Erin Holt 32:02 But maybe that’s—
Doug Holt 32:02 Why you picked Tuesday.
Erin Holt 32:03 Real life.
Doug Holt 32:04 It is real life. That's another one about Doug. All right, here we go. How does Doug actually transition from work mode to husband and dad mode when he walks in the door? Well, I work at home, but—
Erin Holt 32:17 He does work at home.
Doug Holt 32:18 I do work at home. I do have a door.
Erin Holt 32:19 You walk through it. He puts on a dance for our family.
Doug Holt 32:23 I do sometimes, actually.
Erin Holt 32:24 You do. Well, that's your question. You answer.
Doug Holt 32:28 Well, it's to you—how does Doug? But I will answer. So I haven't been doing as good lately, and that came up to me at a doctor's appointment. So Marie, who's been on this podcast before, is my regular doctor, and she asked me that question. So I thought that was very interesting. She said, “What would you tell guys on how to transition?” I was like, “Shoot, Marie.”
Erin Holt 32:51 Thank you, Marie.
Doug Holt 32:52 Why are you doing that? My whole doctor's appointment, she just looked at me and goes, “You know what to do. So what would you tell yourself?” I go, “This, this, this.” She's like, “Cool. Those are my notes.”
Erin Holt 33:02 Great.
Doug Holt 33:02 Goodbye. So I have a sign right by my door that says, “Change of priorities ahead.” When I'm doing my best, I hit that sign and I transition. I'm not always doing my best, and so sometimes I come up from the basement. Usually the kids attack me right away as soon as I open the door, so I'm right on the kids, which in saying that makes you third, right? Which I don't always like. And I think sometimes you're like, “Thank God,” because you get your own time. Because, as everybody knows, we love our kids, and our kids are very close to us, which is great.
Now that it's summer, we'll be outside playing or doing something, throwing the Frisbee or something like that. Ideally, doing a family bike ride or walk or something with the family. The least ideal? I’ll come up, say hi to the kids, say hi to you, and then a message will come through. I’ll step outside, get on a phone call, or walk back downstairs and go, “Oh my gosh, I have to do this for so-and-so.” There you go. I’ve got to work better on my transitions. I realized that, thanks to Marie. It’s funny when someone asks you, “What advice would you give yourself?” Man, come on, Marie. Leave me alone.
What does your weekly date night really look like? And how often does it actually happen versus get rescheduled?
Erin Holt 34:31 We’ve been in a lull, and part of that is us and our family schedule and some things going on. And part of that is our main babysitter got really sick—like really, really, really sick.
Doug Holt 34:41 She was airlifted.
Erin Holt 34:42 Airlifted to a hospital. So she needed some recovery time, and we really like her. She’s just now healthy enough to babysit again. So we actually had a date last week.
Doug Holt 34:54 Tell them what we did.
Erin Holt 34:55 Go ahead.
Doug Holt Okay.
Erin Holt Doug organized it. So in our little town, it was Friday night art night—once a month. There are lots of galleries in our town. It was a beautiful night. We walked around, looked at the first art gallery—I cannot remember the name of it right now—but it was really awesome art. Of course, they had some snacks and wine out. So we went to a couple galleries, then we went to a restaurant. We know the owner—it’s called The Open Door—and sat there, ran into some other friends, and just hung out.
Doug brought some questions from Esther Perel cards that I had given him a couple years ago. Just good questions to ask your partner—thoughtful, some funny, some deep. Then from there, we got some takeout food from another spot in town and came back to the ranch. It was gorgeous. So we sat outside on chairs. If you guys have been here, you can picture it—there’s the ranch house, the porch, and then some land right off the porch where the chairs were set up.
Doug Holt 35:59 Steve and his wife—
Erin Holt 36:00 Steve, the coach. Steve and his wife had spent their anniversary here. Yep. So we sat in those chairs and watched the sunset, ate some food, drank some wine. It was awesome.
Doug Holt 36:08 It was a great—
Erin Holt 36:09 It was a good first date in a while. So hopefully—well, not hopefully—we will get back more in a rhythm now that we have our main babysitter healthy and ready and available to babysit, slash make some money.
Doug Holt 36:18 That’s been our biggest challenge. It’s not scheduled as much as we don’t have family here, and so finding somebody that we can trust with our kids, living in a small town—I’m not used to it as much. I’ve gotten used to it, been here six years now. It’s a tough one.
How do you guys protect your relationship when one or both of you is in a heavy season of work or travel? Have we ever had that?
Erin Holt 36:42 Oh my God. Woof. I think we’re better now. Part of that is also our kids are a little bit older. We’re not in the baby and toddler phase, which is so damn cute. If you’ve ever done it, you also know it takes everything you’ve got.
Doug Holt 36:58 Yes.
Erin Holt 36:59 We’ve had to adapt and adjust, just like everybody else. There were certain times when, with TPM, you were traveling a lot more, which coincided with young babies and toddlers. That was challenging, to say the least.
Doug Holt 37:10 Yep.
Erin Holt 37:11 And then it was kind of like, okay, we need to reevaluate here on how we are doing this. I don’t know what other details you want to add.
Doug Holt 37:21 Oh, Erin approached me and said, “This isn’t working anymore.”
Erin Holt 37:24
Doug Holt 37:25 Because I was traveling a lot for TPM. So TPM—we have The Brotherhood, which is our one-year mastermind group. There are two big events there. We have the Inner Circle, which gets another event added on to it. We have events at the ranch where I will go stay here at the ranch during those events because they’re so immersive. At that time, I did most of those events. I don’t think I did all, but enough of them. And then we also had leadership meetings, so I was flying all over the world for our quarterlies or annuals because we have an international group.
And then I had a birthday party or something thrown in there because my friends live all over the world. You know, a birthday party was Tim’s—fly out to Germany, race cars, and then fly over to Italy for dinner.
Erin Holt 38:15 Be gone for 10 days.
Doug Holt 38:18 So it was really hard on you to do that.
Erin Holt 38:19 Super hard.
Doug Holt 38:20 So we’ve come back. This year has been extremely balanced. It’s also weird for me not to be gone as much because I’m not really used to it yet.
Erin Holt 38:31
Doug Holt 38:32 And you have an event—you’re going to the girls this next weekend.
Erin Holt 38:35 Mother’s Day getaway with some girlfriends.
Doug Holt 38:37 Yep. And so you’re doing a lot more adventures and taking your time. You’ve got some things with your coaching groups that you do—one with the coach you work with. You’re going to her retreats. Then you have your own retreats. Oh, I also have my private client stuff going on too, so private clients get private events with me.
So there was a lot of travel going on, and we've rebalanced that. You’re getting a lot more travel now, and it's not travel just to travel. I mean, with the girls it’s going to be, but a lot of what we do is I travel for work mostly, and you travel for growth and work, right? So developing ourselves, which is great, because you come back a better wife, a better mother, a better person, a better human each time you go away.
And I have to pretend like taking care of the kids is easy. ChatGPT, how do you sedate kids? Kidding, kidding, kidding, kidding.
All right. After two kids and years of marriage, what’s kept the spark alive, and what has almost killed it for you guys?
Erin Holt 39:44 All right, let’s talk about the not fun part first. What almost killed it? Built-up resentments. Honestly, since having kids, exhaustion. The level of exhaustion post-children was so real.
Doug Holt 40:00 It’s always funny to watch people who don’t have kids.
Erin Holt 40:04 That was us.
Doug Holt 40:05 Oh, I know. We were told our kids were never going to watch TV. They were going to read. They were going to be engineers by age five.
Erin Holt 40:13 Whatever. No, just… no judgment, but we were those people who, prior to kids, were like, “Oh man, I’m so tired.” And then after having kids—okay, there are different levels of tired.
Doug Holt 40:26 Certainly.
Erin Holt 40:27 So that was a challenging season for us to figure that out.
Doug Holt 40:33 I think you hit it on the head—resentment. I don’t think I would have pulled that one out until you said it, but when you said it, I was like, “Oh, that’s it.” And we’re both still stubborn people.
Erin Holt 40:44 Resentments that just get built up, tied in with the level of exhaustion, which made it like a loop of, “God, I’m so tired. I can’t talk about this, but we’ll sort of talk about it, but not really fully.” So it’s not really handled, but that’s all the energy we have.
Doug Holt 41:00 Well, then as time goes, right, and there’s resentment, and you’ve got more time, then there’s more time between intimacy. So I always say women need connection to be intimate; men need intimacy to feel connected. So you’ve got resentments building up, time goes longer, then we start resenting each other for that time being longer and for the lack of intimacy. So we start piling on—stacking, as we call it—until there’s more and more mud in the glass and you can’t see each other.
Erin Holt 41:30 So we’re human. We went through that. What was the second half? How did we come through it?
Doug Holt 41:37 So how do we keep the spark alive? Well, when your wife is hot, it makes it a lot easier.
Erin Holt 41:47 Oh. Intentionally, though. In all honesty, there are times we schedule it. There are times we’re like, “Okay, tomorrow, when do you have a break from your clients or meetings?” We’ll make it happen.
Doug Holt 42:00 We had that conversation yesterday.
Erin Holt 42:01 Yes.
Doug Holt 42:04 We have a 30-minute window between maximizing this. At 9:00 a.m., we both have to be on calls.
Erin Holt 42:11 We’re maximizing this.
And then I guess this sounds like a broken record, but it’s true—keeping doing our own work. The past few years I’ve gotten deep into sacred feminine work and archetypal work. Doing that type of work on myself and with my clients has really opened up a whole different connection to my own intimacy, sexuality, and sensuality that I just didn’t have access to when I was in early motherhood, breastfeeding, and birthing babies.
That season is beautiful and wonderful—and so hard. During that time, it was birthing babies, but also rebirthing myself. So it’s a lot going on there. Now that I’m a little bit further removed from that, I’ve had the space to explore me again as a woman who has birthed two children. So that’s been really fun for me as a woman—and for you.
Doug Holt 43:09 It’s been awesome for me. It’s been awesome in a lot of ways.
One is, as someone who loves you, to see you blossom. Because I also think what happened is when you and I were going through our stuff, you became harder. It hardened you. You had to close your heart off more because I was hurting you. And then when you closed off, I would have more resentment, which comes across as hurt or my sarcastic humor. So you went further out of your feminine, and that just stacked over the years.
And you were taught as a kid—you know, your dad told you girls weren’t allowed to go to hardware stores.
Erin Holt 43:47 Just a joke, but—
Doug Holt 43:48 I know, but you believed it. Your dad doesn't tell you it's jokes—like the raisin tree.
But I think that was coupled, and seeing you coming out of this phase and being in your femininity, you know, allowing me to just be naturally masculine. Because if you don’t, people don’t know polarity, right? I'm naturally a masculine guy. You get two masculine energies—two guys arguing—what happens? The argument escalates, and they're going to fight, or one of them has to back down.
And if you are in your masculine and I'm in my masculine, the same thing is going to happen. And I think as men, we think, “I'll just back down,” which is aka closing down, right? That’s the better thing, because I would never physically hurt you at all—that's just not who I am.
And so you told me at one point, “I'd rather you hit me, because it would hurt less than you shutting down on me and leaving that way.” I remember that conversation.
So back to that—the spark. You being in your femininity so much more allows for that polarity and that sexual attraction, right?
Erin Holt 44:56 A lot more fun.
Doug Holt 44:57 I think it’s intentional. And just watching—I think it's sexy to watch you grow. Your work, you take care of your health, your body, you're working on that. You take care of your business. You take care of the kids. You take care of you.
And I think over the years we've learned that we just—again, it goes back to loving the person for who they are. You're very intentional on your self-care. That is an area I lack, to say the least, because I'll grind it out and push through. I'll be like, “Oh, I could go get a massage,” which I have coupons for free massages right now—
Erin Holt 45:37 You're welcome.
Doug Holt 45:38 Thank you. Or I could go build an AI agent, which sounds cool. Or I could get back to a client. Then I'll go do that instead.
So I think our date nights—we try to make our date nights fun. I try to make them creative and different. It's so easy to get stuck just going to dinner and that’s it. So trying to be intentional about those things, bringing the cards, trying to get to know each other, right?
I hope, as amazing as the woman you are today is, I hope I get to know the woman you are a year from now, because she's going to be different. And a lot of people forget that. They think, “Oh, my wife or my husband is the same as when I married them,” and they're not. We're hopefully always changing.
Ready for another one? Got a couple more. Almost out of questions here.
What’s a small daily ritual between you two that most people would overlook but matters more than you think?
Erin Holt 46:35 Well, the first one that popped in my head—it matters a lot to me because I know when it's missing or when we're off and don’t do it, I feel sad about it. When you see each other in the morning, like greeting each other, the hug—I like that.
Doug Holt 46:49 I know you do. You're great about that. You'll stand in the hallway and block me. I can tell by the position of your body what’s coming up. You try to act nonchalant, like, “I just happened to be here.”
I was going to say something similar. I was going to say connection time in the morning. I think the sending off, if you will—we talk about that at TPM—that’s good. Just kind of a check-in.
Erin Holt 47:14 Check-in connection.
Doug Holt 47:15 Just—
Erin Holt 47:16 Because you and I are both morning people more so. There are other people that are night people—we are not. We are gassed and pretty fatigued by evening time. So morning time connection feels really important for us.
Doug Holt 47:31 I think we check in throughout the day too. I would say the morning check-in— a lot of people fly by and just aren't able to do it. And I think if you're not able to do it in the morning, then you can have an evening check-in, a midday text message. There are a lot of ways of achieving that same goal.
But I agree.
Both your kids are at very different ages. Where do you parent differently, and where do you clash?
Erin Holt 47:57 Well, kids are obviously very different—never mind opposite sex—but just very different individuals. So it's like learning what works with one child and really makes them feel loved, seen, appreciated, like an unconditional safe space, and what works for the other one for that.
And as far as leadership, obviously they respond differently to a mother and a father. But our values and our rules are the same.
Doug Holt 48:27 I'm the fun parent.
I think we’re different—
Erin Holt 48:36 And where are we the same?
Doug Holt 48:38 Were we the same? I think we're 90% the same. We have the same values. We talked about this intentionally before having kids. We've had a lot of conversations about kids before having them and since.
We're the same in the fact that if one parent says no, the kid can't go ask the other parent. We're a united front on all issues. If there's a disagreement, we say, “I need to talk to you,” and we pull each other into a room—the bedroom, usually—and have a conversation, hash it out, and come to an agreement, even if that agreement is to agree to disagree.
I think we both know, honor, and respect that each of us is doing our best and has the best of intentions with whatever decisions we make with our kids. I don't think there's any question, at least not on my end, about that.
We talk about a lot of things—like we're talking about homeschooling. Or I’m talking about it a lot—it’s a possibility—but we talk things out. It’s not like I go in and say, “We’re homeschooling, that’s it.” Or you do that. There are certain things you're adamant about, certain things I'm adamant about, and I think both of us pick our battles, so to speak—not that they’re battles, but you get the idea.
Where we’re different—our kids react to us differently. I think you have much more of a motherly nature. For some reason, you coddle them much more than I do.
Erin Holt 49:57 People might call it nurture.
Doug Holt 49:59 Sure. I would just say more. You don’t do it all the time, and I’m not stricter, but I’m more assertive with them. And I find they like that. They like both. They’re both different, and they respond to us differently.
We have a really tight relationship with our kids. I think more so than most of the families, at least we see. You never know what goes on behind closed doors, but we have a really tight relationship with our kids.
Like I said, I think we’re about 90% the same or similar.
Anyway, interesting question. I think I have two more.
Erin Holt 50:42 Okay.
Doug Holt 50:42 Erin, this one's for you. What's something Doug does behind the scenes that the world never sees that makes him a great husband and father?
Erin Holt 50:51 Let me take my time, guys.
Well, one of the first things that pops into my head is I love when you do this—sometimes you’ll just write me a little love note next to my coffee cup. Or just little touches like that that make a big difference.
He does little things that, again, make a big difference. Every now and then—like I work out with women in the garage gym three mornings a week—and sometimes he’ll put on a funny song, like “There’s hoes in this house,” just joking around, keeping it light.
He’s really thoughtful behind the scenes about little things—what Bodhi will like, what Aspen will like, what I will like. Little things like that that make a big difference and just make me feel seen and appreciated by him.
He’s really good about cuddling with our kids and wrestling with them. The other night I was thinking about how our whole family was wrestling up in Bodhi’s room. I definitely beat Doug, guys.
Doug Holt No chance.
Erin Holt But just having really fun, intentional time like that—connecting through physicality—is a really great way for everybody to connect. With kids, it’s a good way to end the day, just letting them get their emotions out that way.
And you’re always making jokes. Sometimes they’re funny. Sometimes they’re not.
Doug Holt 52:18 Any guy that’s been coached by me knows that’s a disclaimer.
Erin Holt 52:22 Those are the main ones that pop into my head.
Doug Holt 52:26 Okay, awesome.
Ten years from now, what does your relationship look like, and what are you doing right now to make sure you get there?
Erin Holt 52:34 Oh boy.
Doug Holt 52:35 This is becoming a long episode.
Erin Holt 52:36 Right? That’s a big, big question.
I’d like to think we’re going to continue doing what we’re already doing and have done—continuing to grow as individuals. And the intention behind it. Realizing our marriage is its own entity that needs intention and energy and effort.
It’s a good thing our kids are not going to age anymore, so they’ll still be six and nine. I don’t even want to think about what’s happening.
No, in all honesty, just really the growth mindset helps us stay evolving and connected and intentional with our life and our marriage and our parenthood and our businesses and our health.
Doug Holt 53:20 I’m going to take another shot at that.
Ten years from now, we have helped millions of couples and families come closer together. Our sex life is better than it’s ever been. We travel as a family still, as we already do now.
Bodhi will be 19—
Erin Holt 53:36 Can’t handle that.
Doug Holt 53:37 We've raised emotionally, spiritually, physically fit, and intelligent kids—well-rounded young adults, I guess, at that point, right? Just to be the reality of it. Who are also giving back to the world and the community.
And I think our marriage is stronger. We know each other even better—because I think we know each other really well—but maybe even better on deeper levels than we have currently. More connected.
So what are we doing now to get there? I mean, it’s this: we’re doing the work. Just being in this conversation, right? I tell the guys all the time, “Look, be in the conversation.” Even if you finish the program, just be in the community. Comment on posts. Share. Being in the conversation allows you to grow.
So if you want to be in the conversation of being a better husband, be with a group of guys trying to be better husbands. I think you and I are always in that conversation, evolving.
We do cool things, like you did vision boards with the kids, so you're thinking about that future. We’re planning. We’re teaching our kids about the world. When we travel—like we’re going to take them to Spain—we’re teaching them about Spain. We’re teaching them how cultures are different. We’re setting them up to be these young adults that at least reflect some of the attributes we value. I’m sure we’ll screw them up somewhat.
But we’re doing that.
And as far as you and I becoming more intimate, it’s bringing the cards, right? I tell everybody I thought it was Brené Brown’s cards—but things like that, where we get to know each other with intention.
I think we’re doing all the things to get to that 10-year goal. Do we do them perfectly every time? No. But do we try to do them better every time? Yes. And I think that’s the difference.
Last one. What’s it like being married to such an amazing, awesome—
This is fun.
Erin Holt 55:39 It was fun. Thanks for the questions. That was a really fun episode.
Doug Holt 55:41 Thanks, guys, for those. These were questions submitted by the boys, as well as a few other people. I think our team put some of those together as well.
It’s been awesome, babe. Thank you for allowing me to do the work that I get to do here. You saw some of those bricks on the ground. You saw some ornaments. We had a bunch of men over here working. You give me the jump-off spot—the home base—that’s safe, secure, and loving, so that I can go out and deal with some very difficult situations for men, to allow them to come back to their children, their families, and come back to themselves.
So thank you.
Erin Holt 56:19 You're welcome. Thank you.
Doug Holt 56:23 Gentlemen, as I always say, in the moment of insight, take massive action.
Although this podcast didn’t really talk about action steps, this is how Erin and I did it. Young couple in love gets married, thinks it’s all going to be easy and perfect—and we all know the stats tell us 50% of marriages end in divorce.
I know we said, “No, it’s not going to be us. We’re not going to have any problems.” And luckily, we’ve been through it. We made it through the eye of the storm.
I don’t know where you are, but there’s always more to develop and work on. And you can do it—but it starts by taking action. Whatever action that is for you.
Maybe it’s starting to look at your wife through the lens of her own person and accepting her for who she is, not for what she’s not doing. Or maybe—because we have a lot of women who listen to the show—it’s knowing that your husband, if he’s in a program, is doing it because he loves you.
Whatever it is, pick one action step and do it today. Don’t wait. Don’t go from one podcast episode to another. It’s kind of like educational masturbation.
Instead, take action on what you know. You guys are businessmen. You know execution is king. This is your chance to execute.
We’ll see you next time on the TPM Show.
