The Future of Health: Peptides, Hormones, and Biohacking

Episode #997

Most men wait until they hit a wall before they do anything about their health. But it doesn’t have to be that way. In this episode, I sit down with Jason Kidman — a tech guy turned health optimization coach — to talk about how he went from burnout and chronic pain to feeling better at 44 than he did at 29.

We cover practical stuff: peptides, hormone health, biohacking (yes, without the hype), and how the system most of us rely on — doctors, meds, insurance — often fails to get us feeling better.

If you’re a guy in your late 30s or 40s thinking, “This is just what aging feels like,” this one’s for you. Jason breaks down what’s actually possible when you stop accepting brain fog, low energy, and poor sleep as your new normal.

We also talk about what to do first if you’re just starting out — and how small shifts can help you lead from the front as a husband, father, and business owner.

No fluff. No quick fixes. Just real talk and actionable takeaways to get your health back on track.

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Transcription

Jason K 0:00Physicians and scientists are showing the opposite. Seventy percent of those studies are showing, yes, this has a negative impact on your health. And it's not just right now; it's generational. It's fertility issues, and those fertility issues are tied to epigenetics. That switch gets flipped, and that goes down to the kids and their kids. You know, those epigenetic switches.

Doug Holt 0:38Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the TPM Show. Today, we have a very special guest for you. Mr. Jason Kidman is joining us at the TPM Ranch today.

We're going to talk a little bit about his story so you guys can understand what happens on the other side, and then also about his journey, his health, and his wellness journey. We're not just about relationships at TPM. We cover five main territories, at least at the initial stage, and one of those territories is health, right? And so health is all-important.

I spent time in my early 20s running a very high-end private training studio, dealing with men and their families. And I can tell you what very wealthy men spend all their wealth trying to get back: their health.

So let's talk about some basics and how you guys can do that as well. Dude, thanks for being here, man.

Jason K 1:20Yeah, I'm excited to be here.

Yeah, it's been great having you at the ranch. Yeah. So, obviously, I know your story very well, but people listening might not. Can you give us just a brief version of what's a day in the life of Jason, or what's going on?

Jason K 1:40A day in the life. So, I own an IT company. We do outsourced IT and have been doing that for 22 years. It's called Vigilant IT. To be frank, I've been burnt out from that for about five or six years now. I've been dealing with some chronic health issues for over 15 years, and about 10 years ago, I got into nootropics and biohacking biohacking my mind, making my brain work better.

Think of it like taking Adderall, but without the side effects. That's what I love. With my IT background, when you're protecting another business's network and their IT, you're going to use five, six, seven different tools that are going to be synergistic and protect the network and the data.

I took that same concept into nootropic biohacking. You're going to use a choline source with a racetam, with something like TeaCrine or Dynamine or caffeine. The synergistic effect of these three or four different things can have the outcome of seven or eight. One plus one plus one equals seven, right?

I love that. I live for that. Then, in 2019, I learned about peptides, and I'm like, "Wait a minute. Do these things really do what these people are saying?" So I got into that. I probably spent $15,000 over two years just trying to figure stuff out.

You know, I get it in the mail and it's a little vial. It's not going to be like a capsule or something. This is hard. Yeah, it's hard to figure this out. So, over the course of about two years, I learned a lot. What I've done is I've figured out a way to not just biohack my brain, my performance, my efficiency, and productivity, but also biohack my health from a fitness level to inner energy.

With the things that I deal with, my baseline is a bit lower than most people. They see me and they're like, "You're a personal trainer. You're very lean. You're shredded," or whatever. And that means nothing to me. What means something to me is how I feel now versus how I felt 10 years ago.

Love it. Inside-out feeling. Sure. That's what I love about TPM. TPM is all about inside-out living. It's not outside-in. It's be, do, have not have, do, be. So, for me, from my journey, it's inside-out living. It's being the person, being the man that you want to be first so you can then do the things you need to do to achieve those goals. So you can have those things and have that feeling of wellness and have that success in business as well.

For me, I utilize these different biohacking methods to be the best version of myself.

Doug Holt 5:23So I know a lot about your story. Obviously, you've been involved in TPM for about four years, right? Give or take. And what I remember hearing about is that all guys want to be fit and look good naked, right? Who doesn't want to look good naked?

At the same time, especially business owners, you can get the stress, you can get that tired feeling, and you can get caught on or I've been caught on the caffeine downer cycle. Drink a ton of caffeine in the morning. Keep me up. Keep me up. Oh crap, how do I get down? Okay, I'm going to have a glass of whiskey.

Then you go through it, and the sleep quality goes down. I've been caught in that treadmill. I think a lot of men not everybody has that same story but a version of it where you get the brain fog, you're not performing the way that you would like to, and that bleeds over into your relationships. That bleeds over into all areas of life.

What I think is interesting, Jason, and having worked with you myself, is I think a lot of guys just think that's the norm. Right? I'm 48 now. This is the way it is. My knees hurt a little bit more when I play basketball. My brain's just going to be foggy. I'm going to be slower. That's just the way it is. Do you find that true with the people that you work with?

Jason K 6:40What I find is, unless people have hit rock bottom to some extent, they're not going to be out searching for ways to optimize their health. They're just accepting, "Oh, this is just the way life is." When, in reality, the life and the world that we're in right now the amount of EMF we're exposed to, the foods we eat, the pesticides, herbicides, and the soils that are not what they were 100 years ago combined with what you mentioned, that chronic stress of being a business owner or just everyday life, we're set up to fail.

Our bodies are not set up to be naturally lean in our 40s and beyond. It's just impossible. We're finding more and more men in their 20s with low testosterone. Like, why is that? It's the environment that we're in, and it's the decisions that people are making around what they're eating as well.

Doug Holt 7:56Yeah, we were talking about this yesterday over lunch. Just this idea that technology has brought so much to us so many great things to us. At the same time, what are those effects that are getting shot back in our direction?

We talked about Wi-Fi, EMFs, and a lot of the things you just mentioned. Let's talk a little bit about those things, but also your journey. Have you always been fit, healthy, and had everything been perfect?

Jason K 8:25No, no. I've been to hell and back, that's for sure. Yeah. So my journey you know, I'm pretty vulnerable when I share my story, in fact. My new business is health optimization, and I help men and women, particularly those in their late 30s and beyond, because that's when the changes start to happen, for the most part.

I went through a series of life events from 2006 through 2010 where my wife's mother passed away from cancer. We were essentially newlyweds. I never learned growing up how to be emotionally available for myself or others. On the contrary, I suppressed emotions. I suppressed them.

I can picture myself as a kid right now. My mother tried to love me, but I naturally just kind of pushed it away. I think it was kind of that nice-guy thing. At the same time, I was raised in a culture where real men don't cry. Boys don't cry.

So it's just suppression. My father is somebody I look up to in so many ways. He was always there to pull people off the road when they were stuck in the ditch or snowbanks. He's just a great man. But at the same time, I never learned emotional expression from him the opposite of suppression.

That's probably something that's generational. People our age, it's very typical of our fathers.

Doug Holt 10:08Yes.

Jason K 10:09And that probably came from their fathers, who were probably in wars. Then the mothers had to take a more masculine role. I don't know exactly how much I relate to other men, but by nature, I'm a pretty introverted, shy person.

In fact, I think I'm not positive on this but I think in high school I was voted the most shy person in the yearbook or something. I can't remember. So for me to be here in this setting is very unique and really shows how much I've changed as well.

Through those life events and going back to your question I suppressed all of those emotions, and my body just imploded from the inside out. My endocrine system went haywire. My thyroid burned up. In a matter of one month, I lost 20 pounds. I'm six feet tall, and I never weighed more than 155 pounds. At this point, I was six feet tall and under 140 pounds.

I looked like I was dying. I had labs drawn, and the doctor told me I had the testosterone levels of an 80-year-old man. And I was 29 years old.

I was suppressing all of this emotionally, and I just kept it all in. If I could have been humble enough and this is my one big takeaway for anybody watching this if I had been humble enough at the very beginning to reach out for help, therapy, right, I probably could have avoided all of this. Yet, at the same time, I never knew how to be there for my wife.

It was her mom that was dying. It wasn't my mom. She needed somebody to confide in. She needed somebody to lift her up, support her, and be there emotionally for her. I was not there emotionally. On the contrary, I was like, "My needs aren't getting met." So it formed this resentment from both sides that grew.

Doug Holt 13:09Well, I think I see that all the time, right?

We have thousands of guys that come through, as you know. You've been around for a while. Everybody's unique and different, but you start to see that the stories are similar. What happens between a lot of men and women is that resentment comes in, right?

"Well, if she was meeting my needs, then I would meet her needs." Your wife may have been saying, "Well, if he was here meeting my needs and supporting me, then I would be supporting him." Now you have two people that love each other but don't know how to connect with each other.

It's a tough thing.

Jason K 13:47One hundred percent.

It was my role as the man, as the husband, to be there for her. To be what we call the lighthouse. And I wasn't. On the contrary, I developed these health issues, which turned into autoimmune conditions with my thyroid.

For years, I was sleeping three hours a night on medications, including sleep medications.I was just clenching 24/7, and I ended up developing chronic nerve pain that goes from here to here. It's like a vice grip that, as tension rises, hurts more.

Doug Holt 14:37Was that a result of the medications?

Jason K 14:39No, that's a result of the suppression. Emotional suppression. Got it. One hundred percent. The body tells the truth. So if I had been mature enough to seek help earlier from an emotional standpoint, I think that physical stuff could have been avoided.

Now, on the contrary, I deal with that now, and I've gone through it. So I feel like I can relate to people, though.

Doug Holt 15:16Yeah. Not only that, I'm going to step in here because I know you so well. On the flip side of that, there are at least I think you said 20, 30, 40 guys that have been through the movement that you've helped.

Jason K 15:28Forty-four.

Doug Holt 15:29Forty-four men that you've helped. Now they're better fathers, husbands, and members of the community. You wouldn't have gone down that path, man. You'd probably still be working in IT full-time, my guess is. Maybe not fulfilled, and maybe not in the marriage and with your son that we were talking about before this.

Jason K 16:00One hundred percent. In fact, I started developing a passion for holistic and alternative health in 2004, before any of this stuff happened. My appendix ruptured. We thought it was just appendicitis.

I was in the hospital. I drove myself there. They got in there and said, "This isn't appendicitis. This is a ruptured appendix." My father's sister died because she had a ruptured appendix, and the doctors just told her, "Oh, you're fine. Just go home." She died. I think my dad was around 12 years old when that happened, and I believe that affected him lifelong.

Doug Holt 16:44Yeah, I imagine so.

Jason K 16:45I think I've just always had...

Then seeing my mother-in-law go through breast cancer treatment, being cleared, and then 10 years later having it show up again as stage-four terminal cancer… They were checking for breast cancer in the breasts while it was growing in her neck, and they weren't checking there. I'm just surrounded by examples of failed Western medicine from other people and from myself.

There came a point where I just took it into my own hands. I thought, "There's got to be something better out there." I tried Chinese medicine. I tried everything. You name it, I tried it. But at the end of the day, biohacking which I love that word, although I know a lot of people think it's weird or health optimization, which who doesn't want to optimize their health?

I took it into my own hands and dug deep into this stuff. I realized there are things out there, like peptides, that are going to treat symptoms such as chronic inflammation and chronic pain.

At the same time, they're also going to have heart health benefits, brain health benefits, and help heal your gut. Some of the doctors I listen to on podcasts say, "This stuff should be in our drinking water."

Doug Holt 18:45Yeah? Well, I think a lot of people don't. They hear the word peptides, and they think, "Okay, flavor of the month," right? But they don't realize that insulin is a peptide, right? People know about insulin. It's been around for a while and is super well-studied.

A lot of these peptides are well-studied too, some more than others. But you're on the cutting edge. One thing I respect about you is that you try it on yourself first, right? You're your own guinea pig. Then you look at all the research and how to combine things.

Like you said, one plus one plus one equals eight or seven. How do you maximize the effects of these naturally occurring substances in the body so you can feel better? I had a doctor look at my labs. He was a Western medicine doctor I told you about this guy yesterday. He had a Western medicine degree, a naturopathic degree, and a Chinese medicine degree. He was one of those guys who just studied medicine.

I remember he looked at my labs and said, "Yeah, your labs are average." He said, "That's not good enough. You deserve to feel great." He asked me, "How are you feeling? How's your day? How are you sleeping? How are your erections? How's your sex life?"

He asked me a ton of questions and then said, "Yeah, these numbers, when you look at them from a Western medicine perspective, the studies they were based on were done on such a small group of people back in the '40s. A lot has changed."

So when we look at testosterone as an example, the traditional numbers, according to this guy and you can tell me if he was wrong were just so far off from what he believed an optimal adult male should be in his late 30s, 40s, or beyond.

Jason K 20:25Well, first of all, that sounds like an awesome doctor. Finding that doctor is the hardest part. Finding a doctor who's going to care about your health as much as you do is so difficult. And it's not the doctors it's the system, right?

You get eight minutes. What can they do in eight minutes with your general practitioner? Right. So what you're starting to see is some of these functional medicine doctors and integrative doctors the forward thinkers.

The problem is, the more they learn, the less money they make. Because, number one, insurance isn't going to pay for these cutting-edge tools. Number two, the healthier your patient gets, the less they're going to come back. They're not trained that way. It's just part of the system.

Doug Holt 21:26It's set up that way. It's set up for recurring revenue.

Jason K 21:30And number three, the amount of time it would take them to learn all this stuff. I mean, they already have to do continuing education every year on top of medical malpractice costs and everything else. Doctors don't make millions of dollars like people think they do.

We get our EOBs our Explanation of Benefits and your eight-minute visit was charged at $180, but the contracted rate is $85. So if you're on a high-deductible plan, your out-of-pocket cost might be $85.

In your mind, you're thinking, "Okay, I'm one of 30 patients the doctor saw today. That doctor is making thousands of dollars." But it's not that way. They have a lot of overhead, and they're not incentivized to optimize your health.

Doug Holt 22:36I mean, we have a lot of doctors in the programs, as you know. Great guys. There's also just so much information out there, right? There's no one person who knows it all.

And there's also, in my experience, no one-size-fits-all approach. Whether it be exercise programs, mental models of the world, peptides, or medicine there just isn't.

Jason K 23:00Or nutrition. Exactly.

Doug Holt 23:03The most debated thing in the world when it comes to health, right?

"I'm vegan."

"No, I'm carnivore."

What do you do? So it's really interesting. I love that you don't fault the doctors themselves. It's the system they're in. There's also a lot of people I talk to men all the time who either have a chronic illness themselves or, very often, it's their wives they're worried about.

Like, "Hey, my wife has chronic fatigue. There's something going on." And they can't find anybody to help them.

Jason K 23:33Oh, man. Well, the thing about that is, in TPM we're taught how to really validate our wives and help them feel seen and heard. Even if we've had the hardest day, you go home and, if you get the opportunity, you just talk with her.

I'm picturing Shannon right now. Women live these stressful lives, running kids around like crazy. They have their own stuff they're trying to fit in. But in the world we're in, as women get older, it's all about perimenopause, menopause, and post-menopause.

At the end of the day, though, men go through it too. Our bodies, between the ages of 20 and 50, produce 50% less NAD, which is central to mitochondrial energy our core energy.

Every decade, our bodies are producing 10–20% less testosterone. And over the last 30 years, that decline has accelerated dramatically. Women aren't being looked at from a holistic viewpoint either.

Most women in their 40s, especially if they've had babies, need a little thyroid support. You go to your general practitioner, and it's not going to be desiccated thyroid. It's going to be levothyroxine, which then the liver has to convert to T3.

T3 is the only form that's actually usable. That's where a great doctor comes in. I think everybody needs a good functional medicine doctor who's going to be looking at the whole picture. On top of that, women can benefit tremendously from a very small dose of testosterone. It can change their lives.

One of the things I struggle with is seeing men's wives struggling while their health isn't being looked at. If their health was optimized...

But you can't force them either.

Doug Holt 25:57Well, of course you can't, right? It's what we teach at TPM. You have to be the example. You have to be the person showing the way and then presenting the opportunity. The way I look at it with my wife is I can open the door, but she has to choose to walk through it.

One hundred percent. And I can tell you with my wife and let me know if this is the same with Shannon if I start doing something and don't necessarily talk about it… Let's say I start going for walks at 5 p.m. every night. Guess who's going to start going for walks with me within a week or two?

Or doing something similar. I did this recently. I started mixing cottage cheese into yogurt dishes and experimenting with them. I got these huge Costco tubs of cottage cheese, thinking they were going to last me a month.

Within a week and a half, my daughter is eating cottage cheese. My wife is mixing cottage cheese into things. Everybody's watching us, right?

The people who look up to us watch us. As men, we get to be the leaders of our house. Instead of being dogmatic and saying, "You need to do this," we get to lead by example. The people who look up to us, quietly or openly, are going to start following.

Jason K 27:19Yes. Whenever I try to tell Shannon she needs to do something, it's not going to happen. It just won't happen.

No way. Honestly, it's kind of the same with kids. You try to tell them to do something, and they might do it because you're the parent and they're a good kid. They might follow through because they're told to.

But they're not doing it from a place of, "I'm doing this because I want to."

Doug Holt 27:59There's no ownership. Yeah, I mean, all the men that come through our programs have one thing in common. They've married smart and strong women. Okay, so if you can imagine a smart, strong woman being told by their partner what to do, it's almost demeaning to them. So there's no way they're going to follow suit.

Whereas, if you just start doing it yourself. My wife takes peptides now, right?

I didn't know at first. She didn't come up and talk to me about it, but all of a sudden a package arrived, and she put it in the refrigerator. Right away I said, "Hey?" She was like, "Well, I've seen you've been doing this, so I thought I'd give it a shot. You've had a great result."

Again, everybody's quietly watching. At TPM, we use the analogy you mentioned earlier of the lighthouse. Someone's struggling, and you can either be a tugboat that goes out to save that boat in the ocean, where you have to grab it and pull it into shore. That's not very good. Or you can be a lighthouse where someone's struggling, and you simply show them the way.

The lighthouse never turns off. It never stops working. To me, you're doing that in this area of health and wellness. I know you work with men and women, but for the 44 guys that you've worked with, you're a lighthouse for them, giving them hope.

Like, "Hey, great. You've got your marriage situation under control. Good for you. Your business is getting under control. Now let's get your health under control so you can thrive in all five territories."

Jason K 29:32Yeah. And on that health topic, where I like to step in is maybe as that intermediary between their doctor and themselves. Because I know, based on my past and based on everybody I talk to, that their doctors, their general practitioners, their primary care doctors which nine out of ten people only see are really just trying to keep them alive.

They're trying to make sure they're not going to die under their watch. They don't really care about energy levels. People go to them and say, "Doc, I have a low mood. I'm feeling depressed. I'm anxious." Well, it's easy to just write a prescription for an antidepressant.

But where's the testosterone level at? Where's the thyroid level at? If testosterone is 350 and the range is 300 to 900, then technically 350 is in the green.

Well, testosterone drives dopamine. Dopamine is the ultimate antidepressant. So testosterone optimization and thyroid optimization, getting those dialed in, can be the best antidepressant. But they're not going to look there. I don't know if they know that or not. I don't think they were taught that in school and residency.

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Jason K 31:59Now there's more and more awareness around that, which is good. A lot of doctors are shifting gears, getting outside the system and going off on their own. At that point, they become cash-pay and out-of-network because they're not doing insurance, and insurance isn't going to cover healthy nutrition, peptides, and many of these health optimization tools.

My vision for everybody, no matter where you are, is utilizing some of these biohacking modalities or health optimization tools to take you from here to here. So you can be your best self.

You can't be your best self without your best health. I love that. You can't show up in your relationships as your best without your best health.

Doug Holt 33:01That's 100% true. It's not that you have to be optimal or your best self all the time, but you need to be on that journey, right?

Well, that brings me to a question. Let's stick with health. The average guy let's call him a 42-year-old man out there. Somebody asked you a question like this yesterday at lunch. If you were to use the 80/20 rule, and three is a random number, what are the top three things you think that guy listening right now could do?

Jason K 33:33First of all, I would like to do a consult with them. Meet with them, figure out what their goals are, and then build a protocol around that that's going to target those goals. I call them different territories. I got that term from TPM. The territory of being lean or fat loss, the territory of anti-aging, the territory of recovery from injuries, or gym recovery.

If your body can respond and be optimized in your 40s the way it was when you were 25, that's possible. That is literally possible. So that's the first thing I would do. I would get them on a protocol, and part of that might be nutrition as well, building in some things where they're not even going to crave processed foods, sugar, or late-night snacks anymore.

Let's get you lean. Those toxins are stored in that fat. There's so much benefit that comes out of it. It's not just about looks or physique. It's not about having a six-pack or an eight-pack. That's just an added bonus. Number two would be looking at your lifestyle, your stress, and your mindfulness. Are you meditating? Are you doing breathwork? The things that TPM teaches.

When I'm off and I go do a 20-minute breathwork session, I'm back at 110% every time. So the mindfulness aspect would be number two. Then number three would be looking at the environment around you. The EMF exposure we face every day, the foods we eat, the pesticides and herbicides, and the things that are in them. Doing things to level the playing field there.

Things like Wi-Fi and our phones. 5G is amazing, but there's also the EMF exposure and radiation that come with it. I heard a study recently about electric cars. We know they put off EMFs. Everybody knows that. Researchers know it. Science knows it.

The studies funded by the car manufacturers are saying that, yes, there are EMFs and radiation, but they're not going to affect your health. About 70% of those studies say there's no significant health impact, while only 30% say there is. But the non-funded studies the peer-reviewed studies done by independent physicians and scientists are showing the opposite. Seventy percent of those studies are showing, yes, this has a negative impact on your health.

And it's not just right now. It's generational. It's fertility issues, and those fertility issues are tied to epigenetics. That switch gets flipped, and it gets passed down to the kids and their kids. Those epigenetic switches.

Doug Holt 37:11So talk to someone listening right now who's hearing you say that and thinking, "What the heck is epigenetics?"

Jason K 37:17So I'm not an expert in DNA. I've got a great friend that is, and that's what's awesome about what I do. My niche is health optimization around basic nutrition, peptides, longevity bioregulators, and the essential vitamins and supplements.

DNA is our body's operating system. Epigenetics is the switches inside our DNA that can be turned on and off. You get a DNA report and think, "Oh no, I'm MTHFR double positive. I'm going to die. That means I have a 70% higher chance of anxiety and depression, and my methylation pathways don't work."

You can get all stressed out about that, but it's not really about that. It's about knowing that information and then looking upstream at the other switches that affect that pathway. Where can you make a change further up the chain so that double-positive MTHFR gene doesn't affect your health in a negative way?

Doug Holt 38:37Okay, help me dumb this down.

So we've got our DNA, right? Which runs our body. And with epigenetics, we're saying, "Hey, where along the line can I influence these switches to optimize myself and optimize my DNA?" Conversely, there can be switches that are making things worse and causing issues down the road.

That DNA is going to be passed on to our children and potentially our grandchildren unless those patterns are repaired. Is that correct? Yes? Yeah, cool. I have to dumb it down for myself. I like to geek out on this stuff too, as you know. I see myself as a translator sometimes more than anything.

Beautiful. So let's look at your territories. I know guys listening to this are going to say, "Great, get on a consultation." But some guys are thinking, "Okay, just give me a couple of things I can do today."

Let's start with body composition. Whether it be peptides or anything else, what are a couple of things that you've seen across the 200-plus people you've worked with? What are some solid things that almost everybody should do?

Jason K 39:48Yeah, awesome question.

Before I answer that, I want to reference my story a little bit. When I turned 40, my wife threw me a birthday gathering, and these friends that I hadn't seen in years showed up at my house. It was amazing. One of the neatest things she's ever done.

My buddy Kirk showed up, and he was just jacked. Total V-shape, veins popping, everything. We were all looking at him thinking, "How are you looking so good?" He had everything dialed in. He was working out every day, and I decided at that point that if I was going to be in chronic pain, I wanted to be in good pain. I wanted to be like Kirk.

He helped me get some fitness routines down, and I don't even think he knew I was researching peptides at the time. When I started incorporating peptides into my fitness journey, everything changed.

Within a couple of years, I went from about 205 pounds the heaviest I'd ever been to completely transforming my body composition. Before that, I was on a medication that caused weight gain. I was skinny-fat and not healthy.

I'm going to reference testosterone again. I've been on testosterone since I was 29 years old. That's about 15 years now. Being on testosterone doesn't automatically mean you're going to be ripped. You still have to put in the work.

It's a foundational piece that every man should know about. Every man needs to know where his hormone levels are. That's absolutely essential. If I'm working with someone on a 90-day protocol, one of the first things I'm doing is getting labs done. Let's see where you're actually at.

Being hormonally optimized and then adding the right protocol creates that synergistic effect. One plus one plus one equals five. I use those analogies all the time.

On my journey, it took about two years. I put on a lot of muscle, improved my physique, and then I started playing basketball. That's where the cardio came in. I hate cardio. I hate running. I hate ellipticals. But if it's on a basketball court, I'll run for hours.

Doug Holt 42:45I'm the same way. Give me a game and I'll play all day.

Jason K 42:48Exactly. I had been lifting weights and doing legs, but I eventually destroyed my arm because I gave myself an overuse injury. Every guy in his 40s seems to do that eventually. I'm kind of the ultimate example of what not to do sometimes, which helps me coach people too. I know when something is outside my expertise and when someone needs an exceptional doctor. I've built relationships with doctors for that reason.

So when it comes to body composition, I used growth hormone peptides not growth hormone itself, but peptides that help the body naturally produce more growth hormone. That was the cornerstone of getting leaner and improving my physique.

Once I added basketball and cardio into the mix, I shed the extra body fat. For the last three or four years, every InBody scan I've done has shown around 3% body fat. That's actually too low and probably not ideal, but that's what it consistently reads. I've got veins showing everywhere. Veins in my abs, veins in my thighs. Whether the exact number is accurate or not, the point is the body composition changed dramatically.

I don't really care about fat loss. I care about body composition Long-winded answer to your question, but one of the first things I'd look at is a microdose of a GLP-1. There has been a lot of negative press around GLP-1 medications, and some of that criticism is justified. The way medications like Ozempic and Mounjaro are often prescribed is completely wrong.

The problem is doctors usually wait until someone is already diabetic before prescribing them. These are amazing medications, but if you're proactive and get ahead of things, they can be used very differently.

Even if someone is Type 2 diabetic, it's possible to reverse that with the right lifestyle and health optimization plan. A microdose of a GLP-1 can help regulate appetite and cravings. You're not as hungry. You're not craving sugar or carbs late at night. Combined with growth hormone peptides, that's a powerful foundation. Then you can layer in things like AOD-9604, which supports body composition and bone health, or 5-Amino-1MQ, which supports fat burning and naturally increases NAD levels.

I customize everything based on the person's goals, where they are today, and where they want to be. As far as lifestyle goes, nutrition is huge. For me, I have two smoothies a day. That's basically my diet.

Number one, I don't want to spend my day thinking about food. Number two, I don't want to spend $18 every day on lunch. Number three, I want to feel good. When I have a smoothie loaded with a meal replacement, protein, collagen protein, greens powder for vegetables, a mushroom blend, and a handful of almonds for healthy fats, I stay full for a long time. We're talking about 60 grams of protein in one smoothie. I sip it over 45 minutes because your body can't optimally process that much protein if you chug it all at once. And honestly, it tastes amazing too. It's a treat every single time.

Doug Holt 47:23Yeah, well, I'm with you. I know you have some smoothie recipes that you love and have shared with me before. Now let's transition from body composition to longevity. Especially for those of us who are on the back forty, as I like to say, we'd like to stay here a little longer. And at least for me, I want to live my later years the best way possible.

We've all met people in their 70s who are lethargic, can't do much, can't leave their house, and are basically just waiting to die. Then you meet someone else in their 70s who's playing pickleball every day and having the time of their life.

I think all of us want to be on that latter side of things. From what you've seen, using this 80/20 principle again, what are three or four things most men could benefit from when it comes to longevity?

Jason K 48:24 First of all, hormone optimization. That's foundational. Secondly, forward thinking. How do you want to feel when you're 80? Start planning that now. There are incredible peptides and bioregulators available today. Bioregulators have actually been around since the 1950s or 1960s. They were originally developed for astronauts because they weren't exposed to sunlight and weren't eating optimal foods. They were aging at an accelerated pace, and scientists essentially hacked aging using what are called bioregulators.

These bioregulators are very simple chains of two to four amino acids. They come from the tissue of specific organs from a healthy young calf and are synthesized in a highly sophisticated way. When we take them orally, or by injection, they enter the bloodstream and influence the corresponding organs in our body. There's a different bioregulator for virtually every organ system.

Everybody wants to get fit and look great, but my favorite part of all this is the longevity piece. Americans, on average, are biologically about three years older than their chronological age. Scientists can actually assess this by looking at telomeres, the protective caps on our DNA, along with DEXA scans and other biological age markers.

If Americans are aging faster than they should be, what can we do to reverse that? What can we do to slow aging? That's where bioregulators come in, along with peptides such as Epitalon. These compounds help signal the body to naturally produce more of the beneficial peptides it already makes.

Our bodies are already loaded with these compounds. The question becomes: how do we support the body in producing more of them naturally? That's where the anti-aging component comes in.

Doug Holt 51:11So we've covered body composition and anti-aging. The other category I'd love to touch on is healing and recovery. I'm 48. I still like to think of myself as an athlete. I've played sports my whole life, and I've got those nagging injuries that never fully disappear.

I enjoy lifting heavy weights. I was doing CrossFit five days a week for a while, but over time, travel and old injuries started catching up with me. What would you say to the guy who's sitting there thinking, "I'd love to work out, but I've got this elbow issue, shoulder issue, or some other lingering injury"?

You've heard that story a hundred times.

Jason K 51:49I think I had three men contact me in one week a few months ago, and every single one of them had tennis elbow. One thing I really try to teach people and I learned this the hard way is that when they start a health protocol, they often want to go all in immediately.

They want to jump straight into lifting huge amounts of weight. They want to train the way they did in high school or college. The reality is our bodies can't always handle that anymore.

I always preach proper form and function. I'm not a personal trainer, but I highly recommend every man work with one when beginning a serious fitness routine. Use proper technique. Don't use too much weight. Don't hurt yourself.

Injury prevention starts with that foundation. Then we can amplify recovery dramatically through peptides. We have things like BPC-157, Thymosin Beta-4 (TB-500), GHK-Cu, and KPV. These peptides are anti-inflammatory and work synergistically together. Many people have heard of the "Wolverine Stack," which combines BPC-157 and TB-500.

It's almost like taking ibuprofen throughout the day for pain relief, except instead of causing gut issues, ulcers, and digestive distress, these peptides actually support gut healing. They can also provide heart-health benefits, support healthy blood pressure regulation, improve brain health, and even help with mood. That's what makes them so fascinating.

You can run a protocol focused on injury recovery and healing, but at the same time you're also supporting multiple other systems throughout the body. That's why I'm so passionate about this. I really believe people should explore this area and determine whether it's the right fit for them.

Doug Holt 54:52And that's the key figure out if it's right for you. Jason, man, I love having you out here at the ranch. I always learn so much from you. I really appreciate everything you do for the movement and for the men within TPM. It's been about four years now, and you've become a lighthouse not only for yourself, but also for your wife, your kids, and so many others.

I love it. Thank you so much.

Jason K 55:16Thank you. I love this. I appreciate it.

Doug Holt 55:19As we always say, the moment of insight is followed by massive action. There's a lot here, guys, so go back and take notes. Whether you get a consultation with Jason, talk with someone else, or simply implement some of the tips you heard today, the important thing is to do something.

And for those of you already in the movement whether you're in The Brotherhood, the Inner Circle, or one of our advanced programs Jason has put together a complete course that's going to be part of the Academy.

The Academy is currently being finalized, and when it launches you'll be able to do a much deeper dive into all of this information and figure out what's specifically right for you. Jason even covers topics like skin health, which is important as we age and begin dealing with issues many of us never thought about when we were younger.

The key is making a decision. Remember the five territories: self, health, wealth, relationships, and business. Most of us focus on business and wealth. But when you're sitting in a rocking chair at 80 years old reflecting on your life, it's usually your health, your relationships, and how you lived your later years that matter most.

Make those priorities. Do something today, and we'll see you next time on the TPM Show.