The Journey to Authentic Manhood: Challenges and Triumphs

Episode #1008

In this episode, Tim Matthews and Lawrence take a deeper look at where shame comes from, how it develops over time, and why it often hides beneath the surface of success. They explain the difference between guilt and shame, why so many men carry beliefs like "I'm not good enough," and how those beliefs affect relationships, confidence, and decision making.

You'll also hear practical ways to begin breaking free from shame, including setting healthy boundaries, finding the right community, having honest conversations, and learning to accept yourself instead of constantly chasing validation from other people. Tim shares his own story of confronting childhood beliefs and the powerful conversation with his father that helped change the direction of his life.

If you've ever felt like you're carrying a weight you can't explain or you've worked hard but still don't feel like it's enough, this episode will help you understand why and give you practical steps to start moving forward.

If you're ready to take the next step toward rebuilding your marriage and becoming the man your family needs, get your free copy of A Man's Guide on How to Save Your Marriage Without Talking About It. Just cover the shipping and we'll send you the book. Get your free copy here: https://thepowerfulman.com/free-book-bundle. It gives you practical actions you can start using right away to create real change.

Transcription

Doug Holt 0:00It's almost easier to do the ARS than to do the Alpha Decompress. And I think it is because it's first thing in the morning you do it before the chaos. But by the end of the workday, as a business owner running companies, at the end of the day, you're kind of like, "Oh crap, it's four, 5, 6, 7 o'clock, whatever it is. I want to rush home and see the family, the kids, or I have a dinner or something else is going on." And men forget to decompress.

Doug Holt 0:38Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of The TPM Show. Once again, we are joined by Christopher Hansen. I asked him to stick around. If you were here with us for the previous episode, you got a little background on Chris, but if you've seen other episodes, you have as well.

Chris is a fundamental member of the TPM team, and he also runs one of our advisor programs. So if you ever get interested in the programs that we offer here at TPM the coaching services, the events Chris might be one of the guys that you talk to, just to give you some information and the lowdown. Chris, thanks for being here, man.

Christopher Hansen 1:13Hey, thanks for having me. It's nice to be back once again.

Doug Holt 1:17It is, it is. So, I know we're going to do some questions from the app today and just try to answer the guys' questions as we go through. Interesting to see how this goes.

Christopher Hansen 1:24Yeah, for sure. I love doing these, by the way.

Doug Holt 1:28I do, too. I do, too, because they're spontaneous. There's no prep for them. That's the best way I like to do it so people get the real deal, right? It's one of the things a lot of guys at events say is, "Wow, you guys are exactly the way you appear to be on the podcast, the shows, or anything else that we do." We're just... we're husbands, we're fathers, we're regular dudes you're gonna find at a barbecue. There's just some areas of life that we figured out better than others.

Christopher Hansen 1:54Yeah, for sure. Definitely, definitely on the journey of figuring things out, you know, for sure.

Doug Holt 2:02Yeah. The journey is the destination.

Christopher Hansen 2:04Yeah. Well, so that kind of leads us into this question. I think this is a really, really cool question might be a challenging one even to discuss.

Okay, so this is from Aaron. Came out of the TPM app, and he said, "I thought it would be interesting for the owners and coaches of the program at TPM to discuss which parts of the program you struggle to implement the most in your real lives."

Doug Holt 2:34Interesting. Okay, so this is really nuanced for me, because we have two entry-level programs, really. So we have The Activation Method, which is a program for relationships. We have Ascension Blueprint, which is kind of for men who are a little stuck in life, who are unsure... the next thing is, the relationship at this time isn't the worst thing for them. So we have these two entry points coming in. So there's two programs.

We also have Navigate. So Navigate is for non-business owners. We do that just to help more men. We have thousands of men that reach out that say, "Hey, you guys only work with business owners and CEOs. I could use this help, too." So we have the Navigate program. We also have the Rekindling Connection, which is like an intro program that we've offered in the past.

Then we have The Brotherhood, which is our one-year mastermind for men that are graduates that get invited. We have the Inner Circle, which is a higher-level, invite-only group very small, elite group of men that are coming through. And we have one-on-one coaching and a number of other things, like the Academy, that are coming out.

So I say all that because, you know, which one of... which program is is the hardest? I know Aaron. Know Aaron really well. I actually co-led his Alpha Reset. So he did his Alpha Reset in the UK with Chris Andreessen, who's now one of our coaches as well.

Christopher Hansen 3:54Nice.

Doug Holt 3:55They were in the reset together. They were in the exact same reset. And, yeah, Chris now runs, as you know, our Navigate program. He's one of the lead coaches there. So this was five years ago that they went through. So it's great to see these guys both being still active in the community, giving back, and seeing their journeys.

Let's make the assumption that it's The Activation Method, because that's the first program that Aaron went through. And Aaron's been a huge role model for other men. Talk about a lighthouse! We describe a lighthouse as somebody who always stays on, doesn't turn off when it's dark, and and really shines a light for other men, right? Imperfectly so, always contributing and being back. So shout-out to Aaron. You know, I know he wouldn't say that his journey has been perfect, or anything about himself is perfect. Very humble man, but a very powerful man in the sense that he's always giving back and always striving for more.

So with that preamble, right? It's a long preamble, but I want to make sure the guys know what program I'm picking out of. So The Activation Method, if I look at my life today... the hardest one for me to implement has been... drumroll... I would say the Alpha Rise and Shine. I'd say it's the Alpha Rise and Shine right now.

Now, I'm getting back into my Alpha Rise and Shine. And you and I are connecting to work out you now live in Sisters, and we're working out four to five days a week on average, hitting the weights, which I love. But the morning routines previously... because I was running so many different programs within TPM... so the movement we call TPM, the movement, as you know, it's... I think it's my life legacy, it's my passion, it's my calling to be here. So a lot of times I get really drawn in. I wake up very passionate about getting after it, right?

I used to have this very extensive, when I was a CEO, morning routine that I would do, and I've kind of pushed that back for a season. Which is what I told myself: "I'm gonna push this back for a season." And what I find myself or I did find myself, because I haven't done it recently is saying, "Hey, I'll do my ARS next week," and one week becomes a month, becomes a year type thing, intermittently. I think I have the Triad down pat.

If I were to give myself one more mark and I'm gonna pass the mic to you, and I'll expand on all these and why I think I've let them down the other one that I can miss at times within the program, I would say, is... it's an aspect of the program that we teach men that fundamentally allows them to, after an argument, come back quickly and clean it up.

And the reason I struggle with that one is because sometimes I don't want to clean it up! The teenager inside of me is strong, man! The teenager is so much so... so much so my wife, because she knows what we do... my wife coaches women, right? She's got her own women's coaching company. She knows... she's heard me talk about this for 10 years now at this point, roughly, and she'll even look at me and go, "You know what to do."

And that'll set me off a little bit more, like, "Oh, really? You're expecting me to clean it up because you know I have the skills to do so? I'm not going to do it!" I'm not saying it's the right thing, but I recognize it at the time. I know what I'm doing, and I'm choosing not to execute on that not for, like, a strategic reason as much as just being bullheaded.

Christopher Hansen 7:23Yeah, sometimes you just want to be mad.

Doug Holt 7:27You gotta have all the flavors of the world, man, all the emotions, for sure.

Christopher Hansen 7:31Yeah. I mean, I've always... when I speak to Kristen, my wife, about our relationship, I always talk about, "It's... we're going to have arguments, things are going to blow up. Like, they're going to... there are things that are going to happen." And I think what's a really good marker of a good relationship is how quickly things can come back together, right?

So I I am very aware of, "Hey, all right, this is going to happen. What are the skills that are required to come back together? And then how quickly can I execute them?" And so many times I have done that exact same thing of just like... I go down the path, one, of writing stories of, you know, "Hey, do I actually want to bring this back together? Do I actually want to be in this relationship?" Like, I can go down this whole long path and get lost in that like, very quickly.

I think you and I have talked about some of the stuff that, you know, I've dealt with in my relationship since I've been here, which I appreciate your help with. Absolutely. It was very, very helpful. But there does... there is this point in it for me where I see myself doing it, and I'm kind of observing and I'm just like, "Oh, this is the... like, the teenager in me that wants to wants to rebel, wants to push back, and wants to be angry," right? It's like an aspect of me that maybe hasn't had the space to be angry, you know? And so I resonate with that, for sure.

Doug Holt 9:15For me, it doesn't happen often, right? So, but this is an area... I talk about it often with the other coaches, or when I'm when I'm coaching a coach, or whatever else I'm doing, because I want people to understand that, you know, by no means am I perfect. And sometimes I make poor choices, and I make poor choices deliberately, right? But sometimes holding back just makes me feel good. I kind of like it. I think my wife actually respects it sometimes when I give her that kind of pushback or I go into that mode.

There used to be a part of me that would look at that and go, "Why do I do that?" and kind of reflect on that. And I think I'm in a stage of my development where I don't feel the need to reflect on all those aspects and move forward. Now, the ARS the Alpha Rise and Shine that's something I would like to get back in. I have been doing it, right? I mean, I've got a sauna, I've got a cold plunge, I've got a Shiftwave, I've got I've got all the toys. The toys are easy to buy, but you got to use them, though, right? Right.

And the journaling... I remember early days of TPM, you know, before TPM, I had my own coaching company, and I was doing a lot of very high-end one-on-one coaching, and I had like, a two-hour morning routine. I created the lifestyle so I could do that. And I remember other coaches talking to them like, "Hey, what's your your morning routine?" because it was kind of a newer thing back then that people were just starting to talk about. And I listed it out because I had it all on a spreadsheet, and I just saw people's faces drop, like, "You do all that?" And I did, and I was really into it.

So what I've done now is I have an abbreviated version of the ARS what we call now the Alpha Rise and Shine which isn't just a morning routine; it's a very specific type. And then we have a longer, full one. And either way, you should get something in there, and it definitely sets you up for success. I can tell that I'm more anxious when I don't do the morning routine. By the end of the day, I'm less fulfilled when I don't do the morning routine.

Conversely, the same thing could be said about the decompression, right? It's almost easier to do the ARS than to do the Alpha Decompress at least it is for me, and I think it is because it's first thing in the morning. You do it before the chaos. But by the end of the workday, as a business owner running companies, at the end of the day, you're kind of like, "Oh crap, it's four or five or six or seven o'clock, whatever it is. I want to rush home and see the family, the kids," or I have a dinner or something else is going on, and men forget to decompress.

I have some pretty good triggers that allow me to decompress at this point. That's almost automatic for me because I have so many reps with that. And the morning routine can be, but the morning routine or we'll call it the Alpha Rise and Shine there's specific components of that that require time that you can't trigger into.

Christopher Hansen 12:04Yep, for sure. The decompress is one that I feel like I have pretty dialed, you know. Typically, if I'm going from work mode into family mode, my wife will call me out pretty quickly, honestly, if I if I'm coming in the house and I've got, you know... if I'm not grounded, I'm not settled into the space, like she's gonna point it out. So it's been really easy for me to like, when I walk through that door, like I know that I'm a different person coming in as a CFO, and like, we're just gonna go have fun as a family and as a husband and all of that.

But I struggle with the ARS. I was an East Coast guy before I moved out to the to the West Coast three-hour time difference. So, you know, my first meetings in the morning on the East Coast were 9:00 AM, right? So there's nothing to get up, do my ARS, be prepped, and like, I'm dialed by nine, right? But out here, you know, 6:00 AM... okay, this is a completely different ballgame, you know, of having to get up at, you know, 4:00 or 4:30 and then, you know, struggling to just get my day started without starting with caffeine, right? I've gotten into that habit here of, like, first thing in the morning, it's caffeine and email, right? And it's like, bro...

Doug Holt 13:24Yeah. I think there's seasons for everything, right? And the key is is being honest with yourself for the seasons you're in. Like, I've set seasons. So I took over in 2020 TPM's marketing or 2021, man... yeah, it was later in 2021, shoot. Anyway, I took over TPM's marketing, which had not been planned on doing. We got rid of the team, and I had to do it. So it's a very stressful thing because we can't help men unless they know about us.

And so I said, "Hey, I'll do this to the team. I'll take this over, I'll take this on." But I was also coaching, I was doing one-on-one coaching, I was running the events, I was doing a lot of other things a lot of other things and I was doing program design, and I sat in the visionary seat. There was a lot on my plate, and it was very stressful, which is not something I'm... something that I'm very accustomed to, but this was a little bit extra.

I was like, "Okay, I'll do this for a quarter." That quarter turned into six months, that six months turned into a year, which turned into two years, right? And it's gotten to the point where I got on a call with our CEO and Tim, my business partner, and I go, "Hey, I told you guys I'd do this for a quarter. It's been two years. I'm done, so this is changing now."

And our CEO goes, "Yep, sure, until you decide to take on another project, right? Because you're just going to jump back in like you..." because I love what we do so much, I care at a high level, that it's hard for me to see the ball get dropped and a man not get served. Because I know what it means like, every... not every week, at least every other week, a man reaches out and says, "Hey, you saved my life," or "You saved my family." I don't take that lightly, and nobody on our team does.

So to me, it's like the story I told myself was, "Hey, if getting up at 4:30, having a cup of coffee, and getting after it saves a man's family, I'm good with that." But at what cost, right? Right. So that's the story that I play back and forth in my mind.

When I think about our other coaches and Tim, my business partner here within TPM, as I was answering my question, listening to yours, I was thinking, "Huh, is there a commonality across all the coaches?" And the answer is probably no, right?

When I think of different coaches, and they're all extremely experienced they're experts in their fields I would say the area that my guess is that none of them slip on is The Hidden Motives Technique, the Clean Slate Method. Some of them, maybe they'll... Live Like a King System. Some of them, it's gonna be conflict. I think some of them go away from conflict, and that's an area we talk about. And boundaries would be another.

Everyone's gonna be a little bit different in what they're working on, and that's what makes it beautiful, I think. I think all of us are on our own journeys, and I think all the coaches would admit the areas that they struggle in.

Christopher Hansen 16:12Oh, for sure. I think the biggest thing is being able to just be honest with yourself. If you're going to step into the space of leading men, like... you have to. Got to be honest with yourself and recognize that... I was I have a theory that you don't you don't actually know something until you've taught it to someone else, right? Like, it's just... that is part, fundamentally, part of learning: that you get to pass the baton of knowledge over, and at that point, you know it.

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Christopher Hansen 17:38And, yeah, I think every every one of our coaches, everybody within TPM, is in their own journey of that exact thing.

Doug Holt 17:46Yeah. So I was with... we had a leadership meeting. So, you know, there were five or six of us at this time. We all showed up to a house, and one of the coaches was on the leadership team. And he came in, and he made up some story all of a sudden, there's tension in the room, right? Like, we're all the same goal, but there's some tension.

Finally, the coach... I can't remember exactly how it all transpired. Something was said, people wanted... it was clear that there was an issue. And this coach said, "You know what? I made up a story that I wasn't wanted here and that I don't belong, and that that reminded me of basically being a kid and like, people ostracizing me from my friend groups." And then he started crying. He's like, "This all came up for me again."

He's perfectly imperfect in the sense that he's having these same... woo, these things come up, but look how he moved through them. And I can tell you what: I was much closer to him after that experience and him sharing. But his initial trigger thought, he thought... he made up a story like, "Oh, these guys actually don't really want me here. They don't respect my opinion. You know, they're high-level coaches. Maybe I'm not as good a coach as I think I am." You know, all of these stories, right? Imposter syndrome, like all of us can suffer from at times in different areas of our life.

So that's an area he's working on, right? And he's been coaching for a very long time. Yeah, we're all on the journey of sharpening the saw, right? Stephen Covey, Seven Habits of Highly Effective People great book. I think its seventh habit is sharpen the saw. And it's kind of like sharpening... you know, "If you give me two hours to cut down a tree, then I'll I'll sharpen the saw for the first 90 minutes." You know, that's that's the smart thing.

And we're all working on ourselves; mine ebbs and flows. We have five territories that we initially start off with in TPM, as you know, Chris. So we have Self, right? Who you are inside, what you relate to yourself, how you fill your cup. We have Health, which is not just your physical appearance, but, you know, how is your body functioning? What's your energy level like? We have Wealth, which is a little bit more abundance or spirituality. It's different for each guy. Some guy... some men, it's their relationship with their maker, their God. For some men, it's abundance in the world. Some people, it's actual wealth, like financially. For some, it's energy like, how much energy do you have during the day? Like, what's your wealth category? And, of course, there's Relationships. We talk about that most on this podcast, at least we have been for the last couple years. And then we also have Business.

Now, business is the easy one for most of our guys, because we deal with business owners, right? We're an elite men's coaching company dealing with businessmen and executives. And we opened up Navigate, as I talked about earlier, for non-business owners, which I'm very glad we did. It's a different community, but the business owners want their their staff to enjoy all the rewards they're getting.

And so when you look at this this whole metric of of these people coming in, right? We all are struggling on these journeys. We all have different areas that ebb and flow. So at some points, I'm working on myself; that area is a little bit down. Some points it's health, right? And maybe it's aesthetics, right? Like, "Oh, crap." I was talking to you yesterday. I was like, "Man, you know, gosh, I want to work out, I want to lose weight, but I don't know if I want to do it that badly. I don't know if I really care that much doing..." I feel like I do really well in the wealth category, business, relationships. So for... you know, the areas that I constantly go back and forth on, for me, is self and health. Those are kind of the the ones that I have to check in on myself.

And for another coach, it's totally different, right? For him, he's working on his wealth and his relationships area; another one is business. So we're all we're all working on it. But I think the commonality is just that we're all striving to get better. Yeah, 100%.

Christopher Hansen 21:38Yeah, for sure. I think the biggest one for me, and that I've learned so much since I've moved out here, is just doing doing things for myself, like actually taking time for me.

Doug Holt 21:49Yes.

Christopher Hansen 21:50It's so easy for me to spend time with my wife, and my wife is my best friend. I love spending time with her, but I'll get to a point in the time that I spend with her that, like... it starts to become more clear to me, and like, "Oh, this... I'm actually like... I need to go be by myself for a while. I need to go do something that is just for me."

Yeah, I think for the longest time I felt guilty doing things by myself. I'd go off by myself, and, "Oh, I should have my kids with me. I should be making memories with them." And, like, all of these stories, and I've really had to, like, force my myself to be okay with that, and to sort of like, fill my cup. And I have found, universally, the more that I do that, the more that that life just kind of opens up for me. Everything else gets easier. Yeah. So I would say that's the piece that has been the biggest struggle for me that I've been working on.

Doug Holt 22:47I love it, man. I think it is for a lot of guys. Quick question for you is: has that piece gotten better after your Alpha Reset?

Christopher Hansen 22:56Yeah. So The Alpha Reset gave me the opportunity to release a lot of stories, and I came back from my Alpha Reset a much more confident version of myself. I felt more connected to just me. I felt like I was less less influenced by other people's stories and, yeah, the things that other people are kind of putting on me. It was it was like night and day: the ability to just go, like, "Hey, no, that's that's not for me. I know me," yeah, and I can anchor to that.

Doug Holt 23:37Yeah. Most common thing... the most common, probably the second most. Most people say, "I wish I would have done this before."

But a lot of the second, third most common thing I think I hear is, "I'm seeing the man I knew I could have become," or "I see the man... I'm now seeing the man in the mirror I knew I was meant to be again." And some guys are like, "There's the 20-year-old version of me fast-forwarded into the 40-year-old wisdom."

Christopher Hansen 23:59Yep, yeah, for sure. I think most men feel like they've lost themselves at some point in their life, you know? They they had a taste of who they they were kind of very authentically in the fullest expression, and then whatever... we all as men tend to disconnect from that.

And I can tell you, there's nothing... I've never experienced anything better myself than being able to reconnect with that person at the age that I am now with that wisdom. It was like the greatest gift ever, right? It's like a dream come true, because for a long time, it felt like that wasn't possible.

Doug Holt 24:37It's so awesome seeing the men go through that, man. I mean, we've seen men... this is going to sound... people aren't going to believe me, but I'll say it anyway because it's true: we've seen men's skin color change, their eye color change. That's rare, but I've seen it happen a number of times.

Almost every man looks demonstrably younger when they walk out of the Alpha Reset, because it's... the stress and bullshit that life puts on you just melts away, and they realize, "Wait a minute, I don't have to carry all this baggage." They don't even realize they have the baggage!

It's kind of like when someone loses weight. I used to do this in my gym. When I used to own a gym, I had a guy... lost 25 pounds and was just bitching and moaning, right, about... can't remember what it was. So I pull this trainer over, I go, "Here, give him 25 pounds and have him walk around with it again." He was complaining about his physicality or what have you.

And so they made him... took him down to the track it was in Santa Barbara, so people that know Santa Barbara City College, it's exactly where they took him the track. Had him walk around the track holding yellow plates really cool colored plates a 25-pound weight plate. And then strapped it to him and had him walk up the stadium stairs, and the guy could barely make it.

The guy goes, "This is what you were carrying around every day for over a decade. Right now, I want you to start looking positively towards the progress you're making, instead of negative, and just strip that away."

Christopher Hansen 25:57Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I can attest to the men that I went through The Alpha Reset with. I speak to them we have a group conversation going that, you know, on a daily basis, we're connecting. The lives that have changed just in that small group of people is is unbelievable.

But they do... they they they look different, you know? Their faces look different. They're more vibrant. They look younger. Their eyes change. Like, you can always say you can see a man's soul in his eyes, right? And then you you see that soul like, coming through at the end of at the end of the Reset.

Doug Holt 26:38Makes me want to stare at you now!

Christopher Hansen 26:40And you can just... you can see it, you know? You can you can see it. And the first thing my wife said to me when I walked through the front door, she was like, "Oh shit, you look younger!" Like, "You look young and light."

Doug Holt 26:55It's funny because, so I'm running the Alpha Reset... you'll be assisting there coming up. It'll be next week from when we're... this coming week from recording this. And every time a guy asks a question, there's always hesitation, right? "I don't have the time, I don't have the money, I don't have the [fill in the blank], this isn't the right time to do it." It's usually the most common thing that we hear from the men.

And I always tell them, like, look... there'll never be a good time to show up. And if you don't believe me, post in the app, and hundreds of men that have been through this program will tell you the same thing. There's no question. It's... yeah, it's zero question. So you don't have to believe me, right?

I... obviously people think like I'm saying this because I have a stake in it. I don't. I get paid a salary regardless of whether anybody shows up or not. I'm doing this because I love it. But if you don't believe me for some reason, you have guys that are out... hundreds and hundreds of guys that are out there that have no skin in the game. They're just going to tell you their honest reviews. They don't have to say it in front of me. You can privately message them, they'll get in front of a camera and give testimonials. Ask those guys. Ask them about their experience not only theirs, but the other men that they were with. And they'll tell you everybody had... everybody has different experiences, but every... the continuity across the board is transformational.

Christopher Hansen 28:13Yeah, for sure. I'd say to anybody that's listening to this: if you have stories coming up that are telling you to put this off, or "now's not the time," or whatever, just invest in yourself. Like, let that go and just take a step forward and just invest in yourself. I mean, it's... like, I always tell people that every dollar that they invest in themselves, they get back 10x. And this is... you can't... there's not a better investment in you than stepping in and doing this work on yourself.

Doug Holt 28:49100%, man. I mean, I'm literally living my dream. Like, literally living my dream. It's because I've invested in myself for so freaking long. I started at a very young age. I was either fortunate, desperate, or, you know, coincidence came along. And as you know, listening to personal and business... business cassette tapes in my dad's car.

My parents separated when I was four, divorced when I was five. So when I was with my dad, he was listening to business I was listening to Jim Rohn and things like that. Luckily, he was interested in that stuff. So, yeah, man, I've been doing this for a long ride.

I got a question for you. I know we didn't plan on talking about any of this, which is what I love about these conversations. So as an advisor, I know that we have... these guys can't get into The Alpha Reset that we're gonna be doing. This is gonna be airing later. If there's a guy in the movement and maybe we can even... I don't even know if we offer this to men outside of the movement who are just interested but I know we have The Alpha Reset that we just opened, or we opened up recently, in the UK coming up. I think it's coming up in September, if I'm not mistaken. Is it possible for men to get into that one?

Christopher Hansen 29:56Yeah! I mean, if somebody's listening to this, and there's... I mean, there's a number of ways that... I'll let you go over the number of ways that people can get in touch with us. I mean, absolutely.

Doug Holt 30:10Okay. So people that are listening: this is not scripted. We have roughly 36 people that work at TPM in the movement, and so I'm not attached... I'm not involved in that side of the movement. I'm working on so much program design, coaching; I'm still involved with the marketing team. So I'm guessing the best thing for them to do would be email VIP@thepowerfulman.com, yeah?

Christopher Hansen 30:32Yeah, for sure. So there's a number of ways they can get ahold of us. Everybody has email, so emailing VIP@thepowerfulman.com is perfect. If somebody listening to this is in the TPM app, they can message me directly. Okay. My name is Christopher Hansen. I'm in the app, right? I mean, I think those are probably the two easiest ways.

Doug Holt 30:52Okay, perfect. We'll just leave it at that. Keep it two simple ways for for men to do it.

Guys, my life doesn't change at all if you attend or not attend, but yours will. That's why I like to tell... that's just the reality of it. I don't go from eating Top Ramen all of a sudden to eating steaks. My life literally does not change. But I promise you, your life will, if you're being called or interested in the Alpha Reset. And look, don't take my word for it. Don't take Chris's word for it. You ask any guy that's been through the experience, and I think you're gonna get the same thing over and over again from the men.

Awesome, man. Chris, I love this question. It's so funny, because I know Aaron. I never call him Aaron, so I want to call him by his... the name I call him by, but that'll definitely identify... I call him by his last name, so we can't do that. But Aaron, thanks so much for the question, brother.

And I appreciate, Aaron, everything you've been doing for the movement, for yourself, for your family. It's awesome to see your growth and that you continue to give back to other men. And it's one of the things that makes TPM so great is once men get further down the road, they turn around and guide the men behind them. So there's a constant group... I mean, imagine a constant group of elite men. These guys are business owners, high-functioning executives, they're all smart, they all have great values because they wouldn't be here trying to save their marriages or themselves. These are all great guys. And then they turn around and try to better each other. So the competition becomes, "How can I lift up the men around me?"

And we're... I just, I don't know if another environment like that exists. Maybe it does. I'd like to know about it if it did, but it's just a very special thing. And so Aaron plays a very special role, as you do, Chris. So thank you so much for all you're doing.

Christopher Hansen 32:08Yeah, thank you, Doug.

Doug Holt 32:09You got it, buddy.

Guys, as we always say: in the moment of insight, take massive action.

I love these conversations. I'd love to know if you like these. These are unscripted. We're grabbing questions that you guys throw out. I know we go all over the place, so hopefully it's interesting, but it will really help me out to know of, "Hey, is this is this useful to you?" Right? That's the reason I do this. So I'm coming here, taking time away from my family. Colton, our producer, comes into the ranch. Chris is leaving his family so that we can provide this for you.

So I really want to hear from you. And wherever you're, you know, watching this or listening to us, if you subscribe or share it with another dude, that would mean a lot to me, because we're doing this to get the information out there. We call TPM a movement because we believe it is. It's a movement of men who are redefining redefining what it means to be a man, a masculine man, you know, getting away from quote "toxic masculinity." That's that's not what we're about.

We want to redefine what it means to be a real man with having masculine tendencies and being a good thing: a protector, a provider, somebody who has emotions, someone who loves, a lover, someone who wants a partner, but also wants intimacy and closeness, right? We want the whole thing. We want all the all the colors in the crayon box, so to speak. And we need your help to rewrite that story.

Men have been getting a bad rap for a long time, and there's so many good men, like Chris, like yourself, that are out there really doing great things, raising their families, and doing the absolute best they can do. We screw up absolutely, I screw up a lot, but I certainly try my best not to, and I try to clean it up each and every time that I do.

And I'm gonna guess you're probably one of those guys, too. And if if you are, we invite you to join the movement. You don't have to buy a program or anything like that, but you do have to walk the walk, and you have to do the work on yourself. That's the only requirement: be a good man, right? Be a great man and do the work. That's all that's required. At TPM, we'd love to have you join our tribe. And if you don't want to, just do the work somewhere else and do the work on yourself.

We've put over a thousand of these episodes out there. We'll keep doing it more and more. But it'd really mean a lot to me personally if you could leave a review or somehow let me know that this is touching you, and that you'd like us to continue doing it.

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